Game Mechanics: Necro charm and Feign death

[ammut]

February 17, 2000:

- The "Feign Death" spell, when cast by a Necromancer, will now have a
fixed duration. The Necromancer will receive several warnings prior to
the spell wearing off. This change was necessary because some
Necromancers found a way to gain experience through their pet while
being AFK for an extended duration, such as being in bed for the night.


Verant got so many complains about that change that they reverted it and instead put the poof pet mecanism in place. So Dabamf was right. It was before kunark.

[siinge]

Charm kiting, hence your pet not poofing while you charm. Ammut wants to make unnecessary changes getting stuff nerfed beyond its time.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=366

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Posted: Sep 19th 2003 2:30am | IP: Logged | Reply to this
Saurom

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I've noticed that while in groups feigning death kills agro instantly on spells that generate immediately. This includes nukes, mez, slow, resist debuff, group taps ETC. This does not include any Damage over time spells. If you feign successfully and have so many dot spells on a mob that when you stand up and the next tick goes off it attacks you. You are WAY over dotting and it will continue to agro you until the other party members can taunt it off you.

For instance I was the parties ghetto mezzer and ghetto slower in a MMC group, I would get agro like nuts from both slowing and mezzing, after they had killed a mob and was about to move to the next I would feign death and as soon as they started fighting I would stand back up and almost completely agroless even though I had mezzed the mob maybe 3 times and slowed it's attacks. Feigning is a great way to charm kite correctly as well.

If your around level 52 waste the time to get your LoY feign, it barely ever fails and will get your abjuration maxed for death peace. Using hte level 16 feign and the 52 feign is a world of difference as far as fail rate goes.

[LazyFuj]

Originally Posted by siinge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Charm kiting, hence your pet not poofing while you charm. Ammut wants to make unnecessary changes getting stuff nerfed beyond its time.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=366

?? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] He doesn't even explain his charm kiting. That post is in 2003 too.

[siinge]

Originally Posted by LazyFuj [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

?? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] He doesn't even explain his charm kiting. That post is in 2003 too.

still looking for more information, but apparently because a player here belives it wasnt it classic hes making a rage about having it fixed. As well as convincing others about the change with no supporting evidence. What do you think charm kiting means? I do remember personally in classic a necro would charm a frog in frenzy, fd and have the entire room swarm his pet, kinda like bard swarm except he would get no experience, rinse and repeat clear frenzy. I saw it with my own eyes. But apparently my word isnt as just as amust because i dont have nug huggers. So im looking for supporting evidence. Ive seen no links here proving other wise. He wants fd to break when you charm, i so do not rember this happening. As well as having pets poof after 6mins if your fd. In fact that didnt happen till velious.

[ammut]

found some more evidences on charisma effect on charm and on feign death breaking charm.....

http://forums.station.sony.com/eq/po...topic_id=62698

psted on that thread :


1. No. Charm break is random. Charm does have a maximum duration, so it is worth setting a timer to the max, but you will very rarely see charm running to full.

2. You are a necro, so FD .

3. You cannot 'refresh' the duration of charm on a charmed mob. Either let it break, or force a break at a good time, and recharm. Both FD and invis will break charm.

4. Things that help you with a charmed pet:

- MR. If you can have it tashed or maloed, charm will last longer.

- snare. Druid/ranger snare is very long lasting, and makes charm breaks easy to handle.

- distance. Never be within melee range of your charmed pet. Use pet guard liberally, and a long way away from you.

- use your pet buffs, get hold of some mage summoned items - and claim them back after killing your pet when he is low. Remember: all damage is good damage.

[siinge]

Originally Posted by ammut [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

found some more evidences on charisma effect on charm and on feign death breaking charm.....

http://forums.station.sony.com/eq/po...topic_id=62698

psted on that thread :


1. No. Charm break is random. Charm does have a maximum duration, so it is worth setting a timer to the max, but you will very rarely see charm running to full.

2. You are a necro, so FD .

3. You cannot 'refresh' the duration of charm on a charmed mob. Either let it break, or force a break at a good time, and recharm. Both FD and invis will break charm.

4. Things that help you with a charmed pet:

- MR. If you can have it tashed or maloed, charm will last longer.

- snare. Druid/ranger snare is very long lasting, and makes charm breaks easy to handle.

- distance. Never be within melee range of your charmed pet. Use pet guard liberally, and a long way away from you.

- use your pet buffs, get hold of some mage summoned items - and claim them back after killing your pet when he is low. Remember: all damage is good damage.

that post was made in 2004

classic was released in 1999

thats 5 years later your talking what veluious? almost pop? thats along time for the change so it should not be changed here anytime soon thanks for confirming that, no change on Charm till 2004

[yaaaflow]

edit: nm

[ammut]

Siinge at least i am trying to do some research to back my arguments. What about you? Your previous post was from 2003, i already posted a 2001 thread stating that charm broke on feign death.... Now i post another one from sony station of 2004 stating the same thing. What more do you want?

Could you please find any post between 1999 and 2001 that says .. i charmed a mob.. casted feign death ... and watched my charmed pet fight?

Man i am not sure anymore if you are that dumb or if you are just playing the dumb to keep charm unchanged.

[Finawin]

-Charm used to break on FD

-Negative charisma affected necro charm(possibly mez, and fear as well...though this was changed at some point because it was buggy to begin with)

-Definitely were NOT able to FD indefinitely and keep your pet. They took out this ability to remove AFK leveling abilities as was stated above fairly soon after classic if not right when Sky was released.

-You also could NOT click off a charmed pet. You had to dispell it, invis, or wait for it to wear off on its own. (any class)

[Haynar]

Thanks to Nilbog, he found more information about FD breaking charm.

It will come later in the timeline.

http://www.therelentless.com/boards/...d.php?t=129908

But for now, the nerf bat goes back on the shelf. We can swing it later. Enjoy.

Haynar