Bard Help

[larper99]

Originally Posted by Legidias [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The comes from the fact that not only is he spreading bad and false info, he is spreading malicious info that can get you suspended / banned. (Wiki is not and has never been an official source of information. Only ever follow specific rules as stated by staff or on P99 official site).

"4. You may not Ninja Loot.
Ninja looting defined is when a player, disregarding the players or player who killed a mob, loots an item that is generally regarded as significant or valuable from the mob they did not kill. This is strictly prohibited and will result in removal of the item(s) and any appropriate disciplinary action."

The 'significant value' portion is where people get hung up on, but even before that statement, it already says to not loot other people's stuff.

"5. You may not use third-party programs on Project 1999... This includes programmable keyboards or other devices that creates multiple inputs for a single keystroke or automated task."

So, no, don't make a script that automates keypresses.


You can test out the macro thing yourself. Make one with 4 lines of playing and stop song. Watch the pause between each song. Then try the rolling method. The only caveat is that if you have bad latency to server, neither will really help you.


Edit for newly posted item above me:

Can confirm he's just trolling now. Wont bother to really respond anymore. Follow his bad advice at your own risk.

Well, re looting, for example, I see bears and wolves being killed in EP, and people purposely leave the "junk" behind. Hell, I leave spider legs, fungus, and chunks of meat behind. But some people leave ruined pelts and X meat behind. Hell, that's tailoring and baking stuff to me.

Anyway, back to the macros, I never put more than one /stopsong /cast X in a macro. I always thought that to put more in there you had to use /pause, and that can kill you since a missed note will still /pause and it locks out your hotkeys. I didn't think /stopsong /cast 1 /stopsong /cast 2 would work since it would seem to me that the second /stopsong would immediately cancel the casting of the first song, just like when you hit two hotkeys in rapid sequence. The first cast is immediately terminated and the second one starts.

[Legidias]

stopsong will immediately stop your singing of a current song, but there's server lag in between the first and second lines of the macro, and over 4-5 songs worth, it adds up.

[larper99]

Yes, I could see the server lag being an issue, if the /stopsong has to do a full round trip between client and server before the next line of a macro. I was hoping there was some client-side optimization going on. If the server is involved, there might be a delay. But... the same delay should be involved with a double click. TANSTAAFL. So, the question is, is a human being doing a double click faster than a 20 year old piece of software processing a piece of text. I think I have to put my money on the software.

Like I said, with each song hotbarred with a single /stopsong /cast X, I can twist 5 if I am in good form. But, I hate having to use up the hotbar when the spell gems should be available via hotkey. I might have to look at remapping all my hotkeys, say 1-6 for hotbar, and QWERTYUI for spells/songs (I'm left handed). Gotta see what all those are currently bound to (like I for inventory). If I could get both hands fully involved so that barding is like typing, I could really shine, since I have been typing for a living for 35 years.

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by larper99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, I could see the server lag being an issue, if the /stopsong has to do a full round trip between client and server before the next line of a macro. I was hoping there was some client-side optimization going on. If the server is involved, there might be a delay. But... the same delay should be involved with a double click. TANSTAAFL. So, the question is, is a human being doing a double click faster than a 20 year old piece of software processing a piece of text. I think I have to put my money on the software.

Like I said, with each song hotbarred with a single /stopsong /cast X, I can twist 5 if I am in good form. But, I hate having to use up the hotbar when the spell gems should be available via hotkey. I might have to look at remapping all my hotkeys, say 1-6 for hotbar, and QWERTYUI for spells/songs (I'm left handed). Gotta see what all those are currently bound to (like I for inventory). If I could get both hands fully involved so that barding is like typing, I could really shine, since I have been typing for a living for 35 years.

Exactly. Two manual keystrokes takes just as long as running a macro, if not longer. And having to use the 6 hotbar slots (which still doesn't satisfy all 8 gems) just to fix a faulty mechanic that everyone changes to begin with doesn't make sense. And "keeping it classic" is a bad excuse. Even though I agree with keeping things as original as possible, but to an extent.

[larper99]

Originally Posted by Hazek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly. Two manual keystrokes takes just as long as running a macro, if not longer. And having to use the 6 hotbar slots (which still doesn't satisfy all 8 gems) just to fix a faulty mechanic that everyone changes to begin with doesn't make sense. And "keeping it classic" is a bad excuse. Even though I agree with keeping things as original as possible, but to an extent.

Well, I don't want to argue the "Classic vs Efficient" thing. The UI is what it is, so how to use it as best as possible. I am now leaning toward getting rid of song macros to free up the hotbar, but only so long as I am still as efficient at twisting. You have to have a different melody for groups vs solo vs pulling (it seems to me at least), so I could just as easily type a different "word" as I can type a different sequence of macros. It's just the double click is the thing holding me back. But, getting the hotbar back is really important to me, especially if I am going to start switching instruments at higher levels.

[korzax]

Can I have your stuff?

[Legidias]

As said before, you really shouldnt listen to someone thats giving you advice that will get you banned, as a GM (in thread) has just stated.

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by Legidias [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As said before, you really shouldnt listen to someone thats giving you advice that will get you banned, as a GM (in thread) has just stated.

They won't know you're using it. Even though you could get banned. And that's only one part of what I said. The rest is good advice. And everything you said is stupid and wrong as already proven.

[Haynar]

Originally Posted by Hazek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They won't know you're using it. Even though you could get banned. And that's only one part of what I said. The rest is good advice. And everything you said is stupid and wrong as already proven.

You are giving bad advice. Please stop.

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by Haynar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are giving bad advice. Please stop.

The stuff I said about buying bags early, saving CB belts, vendoring venom sacs, putting some points in CHA, etc, is all good advice.

And the fact is that there is nothing wrong with using a script to single tap songs, besides according to the irrational iron fist. Because its not the same as using AHK to afk farm for example. So good luck with your servers but I hope you'll reflect and be more reasonable in the future for your own sake.

Peace