Good fix Nilbog, but how about making this playable now?

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by RipVanFish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For the raiding newbs among us, do people want dragons unrooted so they can be cheesed and killed easier?

killing trash doesnt make them harder, just more time consuming or require more zerg to do it at same time.

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by RipVanFish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For the raiding newbs among us, do people want dragons unrooted so they can be cheesed and killed easier?

There was a whole raid culture setup around the cheesing. The pull team were the all star players who were neck deep in strategies on how to train the zone around and bounce the Dragon off different pullers, using DA idols, spells and other assorted items. These guys were the most vocal when the rooted change happened because it stole the spotlight from their level of play.

(Since mistakes could happen with a complicated pull it allowed other smaller guilds who were there and could 'snipe' the Dragon. The rooting removed this and caused some heartache for some of the smaller less elite guilds as they had worked hard to get to that level of cheese.)

The other group were the 10 minute guys. They would have their characters camped and log on just for the kill. It wasn't about playing the character they leveled to 60 or even using the gear they earned. The rooted change actually let them use that high resist gear etc but it took too long for their style of play. See possible 3+ hour crawls vs. 10 minute log on. They batphone, a mass alarm sent to everyones cellphone alerting them a Dragon had spawned and was being pulled would que them to log in.

Dragons were pulled by the pull team the instant they popped. So it was a mixture of cheesing the zone and skilled play, although I have to be careful how I use the world skill because there is a counter argument here on the forums that EQ requires 0 (zero) skill to play. Its part of forum pwning.

You would think if the original developers for this era of EQ wanted their ultimate zone being pulled in such a way then they would have just put all the dragons near the zone in that can be single pulled/raided with no zone trash mobs to be annoying time sinks. Part of elite level play is bypassing all that to get the cookie. So the argument is one consisting of players remembering it being one way while the other group think it is a waste of time when they can get the good stuff in 10 minutes or less.

[SantagarBrax]

Originally Posted by Mblake81 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There was a whole raid culture setup around the cheesing. The pull team were the all star players who were neck deep in strategies on how to train the zone around and bounce the Dragon off different pullers, using DA idols, spells and other assorted items. These guys were the most vocal when the rooted change happened because it stole the spotlight from their level of play.

(Since mistakes could happen with a complicated pull it allowed other smaller guilds who were there and could 'snipe' the Dragon. The rooting removed this and caused some heartache for some of the smaller less elite guilds as they had worked hard to get to that level of cheese.)

The other group were the 10 minute guys. They would have their characters camped and log on just for the kill. It wasn't about playing the character they leveled to 60 or even using the gear they earned. The rooted change actually let them use that high resist gear etc but it took too long for their style of play. See possible 3+ hour crawls vs. 10 minute log on. They batphone, a mass alarm sent to everyones cellphone alerting them a Dragon had spawned and was being pulled would que them to log in.

Dragons were pulled by the pull team the instant they popped. So it was a mixture of cheesing the zone and skilled play, although I have to be careful how I use the world skill because there is a counter argument here on the forums that EQ requires 0 (zero) skill to play. Its part of forum pwning.

You would think if the original developers for this era of EQ wanted their ultimate zone being pulled in such a way then they would have just put all the dragons near the zone in that can be single pulled/raided with no zone trash mobs to be annoying time sinks. Part of elite level play is bypassing all that to get the cookie. So the argument is one consisting of players remembering it being one way while the other group think it is a waste of time when they can get the good stuff in 10 minutes or less.

This....is.....spot....On.

That era was extremely boring for 95% of raiders. It's way more fun now crawling to a target even though it takes a lot more time. Petitions have plummeted because of it.

Let's be honest here, the raid scene is healthier than it's ever been. Every single quake there's a host of targets going down to "smaller" guilds. More guilds are in ToV now than ever before, even if they're only after one particular target. Guilds are actually speaking with other guilds and the atmosphere seems rather cordial. The petition questing and lawyer questing has all but been erased.

Stay Strong Nilbog and Rogean, you guys have done what needed to be done to cleanse the toxicity that existed previously.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by SantagarBrax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This....is.....spot....On.

That era was extremely boring for 95% of raiders. It's way more fun now crawling to a target even though it takes a lot more time. Petitions have plummeted because of it.

Let's be honest here, the raid scene is healthier than it's ever been. Every single quake there's a host of targets going down to "smaller" guilds. More guilds are in ToV now than ever before, even if they're only after one particular target. Guilds are actually speaking with other guilds and the atmosphere seems rather cordial. The petition questing and lawyer questing has all but been erased.

Stay Strong Nilbog and Rogean, you guys have done what needed to be done to cleanse the toxicity that existed previously.

No one's crawled in a long time , it's Coth up and clear couple flurries, kite rest and engage . Let's not act like anyone crawls every week. The meta is to do the least amount of trash still.

[Tenderizer]

Originally Posted by RipVanFish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For the raiding newbs among us, do people want dragons unrooted so they can be cheesed and killed easier?

What a way for them to experience classic eq. I can see it now the noob zones in and sits down, waits a bit and maybe does some buffing or something. Dragon shows up and....pixels. see's 10% of the zone and falls in love.

GG everyone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv_A0s8vevY

[magnetaress]

Originally Posted by Tenderizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What a way for them to experience classic eq. I can see it now the noob zones in and sits down, waits a bit and maybe does some buffing or something. Dragon shows up and....pixels. see's 10% of the zone and falls in love.

GG everyone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv_A0s8vevY

yeap even bored housewives can have a blast with chucky

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by Tenderizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What a way for them to experience classic eq. I can see it now the noob zones in and sits down, waits a bit and maybe does some buffing or something. Dragon shows up and....pixels. see's 10% of the zone and falls in love.

GG everyone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv_A0s8vevY

If you take Hyjals story as truth, I was on BB and remember Club FU ROV and AO. I was in a smaller non-raiding guild but I do recall Club FU and Ring of Valor having drama.

So what we have, according to the story, is that a small Euro guild found a means to bypass the bigger raiding guilds and get the cookie. An exception is cool when it is the exception but it became the norm on P99. Since there are few secrets on this server it became standard operation for all guilds involved.

Club Fu woke the sleeper to keep AO from getting warder loot, sorry they didn't get warder loot.

A solution that would allow for a scenario like Hyjals to play out would be wiping blue. A restart takes place where it doesn't follow the classic timeline. A year from Classic- Velious before the next wipe+restart.

That would allow him and a crack elite team to power through the base game, because that stuff is in the way of raiding, and get into NToV to have at it until some upstarts come along. Then its time to wake the sleeper, then disband as champs for that server cycle.

[condap99]

Hyjal is right. Experimentation is good. Good on the devs for trying. But not every experiment works. It's really obvious that rooted dragons had the exact opposite effect as was intended. There is less competition in NToV than at any point in server history.

Guilds are not intended to sit in each others camps in north, and play chicken with who will pull the dragon with more mobs in camp. It's hard enough to determine who is training what when theres 2 mages and 2 FTErs per guild in north. But when theres 200+ people, it's just a disaster.

Unroot em.

[magnetaress]

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[Izmael]

Pulling dragons to trips halls totally existed and is petfectly fine.

Pulling dragons, including Vulak, to zone-freaking-in is wrong on too many levels to list.