Some Questions About the UN and Federation

[Elijah850]

Originally Posted by EqGamer1724 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have some questions and I hope the community can help!

It is my understanding the UN was created to share content and turn a non TLP server into a modified TLP server. Planar trash, King Tranix and Phinny all now have their scheduled raid slots. You and your guild show up at 7pm est on a Tuesday evening and there he is King Tranix himself patiently waiting to be killed by a guild of 45 in less than 2.7 seconds. Just how the original developers drew it up, I imagine.

Then The Federation was created to share 7 day targets. The Federation which compromises of <Kingdom>, <Black Lotus>, <Venerate>, <Castle>, <Aussie Crew>, and <Reconstructed> all gather up ~150 people, kill a 7 day target and /random on the loot.

So the The Federation is a UN within the UN, if that makes sense?

So my questions are:

1) Were we really this soft in 1999? Was most of the content on a scheduled rotation and will it be the same in Kunark and Velious?

2) What would happen if <Seal Team> left the UN and locked everything down? What would happen if your guild isn’t able to run a Tranix Crown through its DKP system?

3) I’ve never seen a top server guild share so much content. When ST kills Phinny on an earthquake why does the rest of the UN start curing? Were we really this soft in 1999?

4) Do you think the original developers intended end game content to be competitive or shared in a modified TLP format?

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Personally, I think the ramifications of what the raid scene became in EQ in 1999 and early 2000 was something the game developers could never have foreseen or planned for in the way it eventually played out. The GMs as a whole were always playing catch up at least until Luclin era with the tactics thousands of people would employ and discover as content unfolded.
All that said: I like Healthy competition. I also like DPS races over FTE. One thing i did thoroughly enjoy about my 2 stints on TLPS before i came to p99 the first time was racing for and winning raid targets based on the quality(and yes even sometimes quantity I.E numbers of raiders) of the chase and the victory. Shadiness, kill stealing, training, or other tactics all in the name of pixels is just..... Shady.
As long as p99 show runners have a presence to intervene if someone or a particular guild is legitimately sabotaging and/or choking all other challengers out of an even a shot at the big prizes and monopolizing content entirely, I would stay hands off to the GMs. See what happens. No one pays for this game. It's 25 years old at this point if u consider the development. Not everyone gets the top tier loot. No amount of crying or forum posts or nanny nanny boo boo to the GMS will change that fact. Rogean has stated he didn't make this game P99 to babysit anyone. He made it to ENJOY classic EQ in(my personal opinion also FYI), the purest form of EQ still around.
If you want to win Open world raid targets: STEP YOUR GAME UP!!! Not an angry statement at all, but Id much rather win CT/InnY/Trak/ToV content and Dragons by the merit of the teamwork and cooperation of like minded people who love to dominate and coordinate to do so over a hand holding pixel petty pissing match. Any day of the week. That to me is true classic and YES not everyone will get loot. EQ endgame was never meant to be a game that rewarded zerg #s dominating nor a UN with political rhetoric that ends up with have and have-nots arguing over pixels instead of enjoying this awesome iteration the founders of p99 and Brad Mcquaid envisioned and have brought to fruition going strong this many years later.

They envisioned coordination, teamwork, winners and losers in the end game, and a struggle to be the best in the world of Norrath. Best because of the skills, devotion to winning, and strong teamwork it takes to do what ST does(only because they seem to get most the loot from what I've seen (since January anyway). Players who had grit, balls, and the level heads to pull off top content through teamwork and tactics SHOULD win. The only gray area I think that would need any further scrutiny is that zerg victories are cheaper than a hard fought "Brad McQuaid envisioned" challenge.
Sometimes numbers is what u need when things just aren't panning out, BUT, a raid with half the number of people required compared to the max # a zone will support is a much more memorable and enjoyable victory and worthy of praise in my eyes. Let smaller groups of individuals try content, win or lose. That is the spirit of teamwork and Brad's Penultimate vision in my mind. I know not everyone is a deviant asshole, though some people grow muscles and opinions and act like they are when they are online and not looking at the opposition in the actual IRL face every day.
If people started trying to adhere to "Do unto others as you'd have them do to/for you", I think a healthier, merit based raiding scene would emerge and simultaneously weed out undesirable characters from this Project. Just a fact of life in 2020 when referring to the ways of Men in general! I'm not singling any person or Guild out with this post. I'm pretty darn tired so if none of this makes any sense to anyone you can flame me to death, but I strongly feel there are more in this community who would back the essence of what I am attempting to convey here. For the betterment of all Elf lives Bring back the Thrill of the Hunt and the challenge of skillful end game completion to this near perfect reincarnation of my 1999 Love of Everquest!!! Elijaman/Wardru - Green Server. (Im gonna make a fly Sig like Cenbo eventually if I keep playing p99 LOL. Shout out Cen, I seent it)

[Elijah850]

Sorry for crappy formatting im about to crash lol. Feel free to msg Elijaman/Wardru in game in the future if U wanna talk about my post or flame me no shame in my words or anything to hide. Peace for now p99 bros lol

[Caroll]

Get rid of the UN, get rid of GM intervention, legalize training, whoever does the most damage gets the loot, implant an RFID chip in everyones’s arm, and enable PvP with no level cap.


Think about it, won’t you?

[AenorVZ]

Originally Posted by Caroll [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Get rid of the UN, get rid of GM intervention, legalize training, whoever does the most damage gets the loot, implant an RFID chip in everyones’s arm, and enable PvP with no level cap.


Think about it, won’t you?

Consider Purple (a new pvp server).

[Grimgor]

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[alkalinesky]

There is this narrative that the strongest guild on this server is overly benevolent in their willingness to share rotated content with the underling guilds. They “graciously” share the less desirable content of the game with “far lesser” players who, in the dominant narrative, would never have a chance otherwise. Who knows, maybe they’re right. Maybe they could simply hold down all raid content 24-7 and force other guilds to kill orcs in Oasis at level 50 endlessly.

Or, maybe, this narrative serves a purpose to guide the server in such a way that this dominance is never challenged. We all know what our experience has been when there is a challenge for any 7-day content the dominant guild doesn’t want to lose. If they don’t just steamroll it outright, there are endless fraps and endless petitions and endless lawyer quests. They are happy with competition – to a point - as long as it is perfectly executed according to their standards. Any moves upward or outward of the box they have created for the server is seen as an existential threat to their status quo.

But the question for guilds like ours is; why do we continue to perpetuate a system that grants a sense of legitimacy to the dominant guild’s motivations and true intentions? Why do we allow this narrative of benevolence and inferiority to continue unchallenged? We decided not to. As I stated elsewhere, we are more than happy to lose fairly. I'd rather lose on our terms than win on theirs. And we will work to become stronger, more competitive, and more connected in the process. We look forward to the challenge.

[Elijah850]

Originally Posted by alkalinesky [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is this narrative that the strongest guild on this server is overly benevolent in their willingness to share rotated content with the underling guilds. They “graciously” share the less desirable content of the game with “far lesser” players who, in the dominant narrative, would never have a chance otherwise. Who knows, maybe they’re right. Maybe they could simply hold down all raid content 24-7 and force other guilds to kill orcs in Oasis at level 50 endlessly.

Or, maybe, this narrative serves a purpose to guide the server in such a way that this dominance is never challenged. We all know what our experience has been when there is a challenge for any 7-day content the dominant guild doesn’t want to lose. If they don’t just steamroll it outright, there are endless fraps and endless petitions and endless lawyer quests. They are happy with competition – to a point - as long as it is perfectly executed according to their standards. Any moves upward or outward of the box they have created for the server is seen as an existential threat to their status quo.

But the question for guilds like ours is; why do we continue to perpetuate a system that grants a sense of legitimacy to the dominant guild’s motivations and true intentions? Why do we allow this narrative of benevolence and inferiority to continue unchallenged? We decided not to. As I stated elsewhere, we are more than happy to lose fairly. I'd rather lose on our terms than win on theirs. And we will work to become stronger, more competitive, and more connected in the process. We look forward to the challenge.

I can get behind your last paragraph

[Ashenden]

Originally Posted by alkalinesky [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is this narrative that the strongest guild on this server is overly benevolent in their willingness to share rotated content with the underling guilds. They “graciously” share the less desirable content of the game with “far lesser” players who, in the dominant narrative, would never have a chance otherwise. Who knows, maybe they’re right. Maybe they could simply hold down all raid content 24-7 and force other guilds to kill orcs in Oasis at level 50 endlessly.

Or, maybe, this narrative serves a purpose to guide the server in such a way that this dominance is never challenged. We all know what our experience has been when there is a challenge for any 7-day content the dominant guild doesn’t want to lose. If they don’t just steamroll it outright, there are endless fraps and endless petitions and endless lawyer quests. They are happy with competition – to a point - as long as it is perfectly executed according to their standards. Any moves upward or outward of the box they have created for the server is seen as an existential threat to their status quo.

But the question for guilds like ours is; why do we continue to perpetuate a system that grants a sense of legitimacy to the dominant guild’s motivations and true intentions? Why do we allow this narrative of benevolence and inferiority to continue unchallenged? We decided not to. As I stated elsewhere, we are more than happy to lose fairly. I'd rather lose on our terms than win on theirs. And we will work to become stronger, more competitive, and more connected in the process. We look forward to the challenge.

Seal Team would be getting a larger slice of every pie if things went to UN-less. Giving up 1/5th of every month's pixels to a failed "open raid" system that basically zero non-raiders even attend. The Federation and Seal Team would probably both benefit from it being gone.

Things need to be done by way of the UN, not the way of Seal Team's opinion. The Federation has a larger say. Why aren't you angry that things are forced to be done based on the will of The Federation?

Step back from the us vs them, look at the actual picture of the server. How many votes does each group have in the UN? How was Fear going for everyone before the rotation was agreed to? It's ridiculous that you just have this narrative in your mind and it doesn't matter how based in reality it actually is.

Leave the UN, let it fall apart, we'll see how you feel in a couple of months when you can't get enough Planar gear or Sky keys or quest pieces due to all of the mobs being FTE with loc'd spreadsheets and permacamped just like launch Fear. Then suddenly <Seal Team> will be the bad guy for the exact opposite of the current nebulous reasons.

[DoodyLich666]

Keep big government off the dragons! Pull yourselves up by your j-boots and take that loot.

[Kahan]

EVERYBODY is bitching about Lineage camping Tranix...


NOBODY seems to give a fuck about SEAL TEAM monopolizing Ishva Mal.


WHICH one of you guilds is getting past island 4 in the first couple weeks, eh? EH??? WHICH ONE OF YOU?