The Corona Perspective Some of You Seem to lack

[Mota]

People work towards an extra 25hp in their 4k hp pool but argue against masks because of minimal efficacy. The fuck is that about?

[Jibartik]

It's just ignorant to say that people dont care about flu deaths because they want people to wear masks and social distance during a pandemic.

How many times have we had to fight for science to have its right to even study new forms of medicine from god fearing conservatives in the goverment, and now they try to act like this whole time we haven't cared about people around the world dying of the flu.

My whole life has been a fight against the conservatives of America to prevent foreign aid and now those same people try to say that I personally dont care about those deaths.

[Jibartik]

Castle, try and tell me that's not a good counter argument [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Castle2.0]

I SUPPORT AID TO FOREIGN COUNTRIES. FOOD NOT BOMBS YOU BIG DERP.

Signal received.

1. Do believe in a government-enforced mask mandate due to a virus?
2. Do you believe the government should shutdown restaurants, theatres, bars, hotels, and other places due to a virus?
3. How many cases or deaths must happen due to a virus for you to support the above 2 measures?

If you do support the above 2 measures of forced-masks and forced-lockdowns for COVID, why didn't you support them for flu? Are 600,000 deaths acceptable, but 1M*** are not?

I'm not saying you don't care - I'm just saying the people who support forced-masks and forced-lockdowns for COVID but not flu, are intellectually inconsistent.

[douglas1999]

Guys! Guys! Are you not aware that .02% danger is very very bad? Are you not aware that all of the people who will be made destitute and die are totally worth it to make sure I never have to admit I was maybe wrong about something?

Medical resources are zero sum, which is the exact rationale for the lockdowns. And I agree with that. However, as time passed and we learned more about the nature of this virus, it made less and less sense to divert resources toward fighting it. When you divert resources to focus on covid, you also reduce resources for treating cancer, diabetes, heart failure. If it had the infection\death rate of ebola, sure, it makes sense. When it has an average morbitity of less than 1%, maybe it's something we simply have to accept?

The argument isn't to take no precautions and pretend it doesn't exist, it's to weigh the net costs and benefits of the approach we're taking. It's very dishonest to point fingers about "politicizing" it without grappling with these realities. We did not do this for sars-cov-1, we did not do this for h1n1. We do not do this for a particularly bad flu season. Covid-19 is not just magically worse in some way when you look at the available data. You have to justify the collateral societal effects of responding in this way to it if you expect anyone to take you seriously going forward.

[douglas1999]

(In before "trumtard don't understand nuthin" and "not surprised you don't understand nuthin" and "hehe typical right wing bozo who i hope dies from covid cause i'm a ghoulish vulture")

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by Castle2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Signal received.

1. Do believe in a government-enforced mask mandate due to a virus?
2. Do you believe the government should shutdown restaurants, theatres, bars, hotels, and other places due to a virus?
3. How many cases or deaths must happen due to a virus for you to support the above 2 measures?

If you do support the above 2 measures of forced-masks and forced-lockdowns for COVID, why didn't you support them for flu? Are 600,000 deaths acceptable, but 1M*** is not?

I'm not saying you don't care - I'm just saying the people who support forced-masks and forced-lockdowns for COVID, but not flu are intellectually inconsistent.

1. I believe that yes if a law is required to get people to wear masks, issue them a ticket. That does not mean I encourage the use of physical force so lets not think me believing that issuing a ticket for not wearing a mask, during the pandemic!, being ok means I believe in goostepping nazi robocops. (same way nobody thought staying inside when the bostom bomber was on the run meant they thought the goverment should now permantly be martial law)
2. I believe that was the best course of action at the time sure, but that doesn't mean I think we should be welding people inside. And there are better course of actions we can do now, within reason. I hate being stuck inside too!
3. It had to be preventable. The Covid virus is not a natural occurring virus, and if we can contain it we can kill it and prevent a lot of deaths. The flu also doesnt kill nearly as many, if as many people that got the flu to = 600k deaths, got covid it would be like 6 million deaths.

Ok I hope this helps!

[Castle2.0]

1. Noted.
2. Noted.

3. The Covid virus is not a natural occurring virus

Actually, it naturally occurs in bats. Maybe it was derived from bats then engineered in a lab, but it most definitely naturally occurs in bats. Interestingly enough, in November of 2019 a Chinese lab was looking for scientists for their lab to specifically study corona virus immunity in bats. I read the site itself in Chinese. Very interesting. Maybe the chicom govt knew about the virus infecting the populace and was trying to recruit more talent to find an answer?

In either case, it's like H1N1, flu, and most viruses we run into in that, yes, it occurs naturally.

and if we can contain it we can kill it and prevent a lot of deaths. The flu also doesnt kill nearly as many, if as many people that got the flu to = 600k deaths, got covid it would be like 6 million deaths.

Corona virus is not going away. We still have people getting H1N1. Zero is an impossible number for this So pursuing 0 as a standard is foolish. Example: "Until we reach zero, we must blahblahblah." Bad idea.

The flu also doesnt kill nearly as many, if as many people that got the flu to = 600k deaths, got covid it would be like 6 million deaths.

I knew COVID IFR (infection fatalty rate) was bogus from the beginning.

IFR = DEATHS / INFECTIONS.

I'll let others debate how many REAL deaths due to COVID, but we can all agree the IFR (especially months ago) was WAY overblown. We had NO idea how widepsread it ways.

My favorite line of thinking from the media was this "It's going everywhere! Be afraid!" Ok, so we should expect a lot of infections, but then they say "It's so deadly! Be afraid!" Deadly as in many deaths per infection and the # of infections they used were simply the # of positive tests when testing wasn't widespread.

Pretty much, they want you to think infections are high when saying how infectious it is, but infections are low when they talk about how deadly it is lol (DEATHS/INFECTIONS.)

Basic math shows their base bias. Stupid people.

So back to my point.

YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY HAVE GOTTEN COVID

What we do know is the more testing we do, the more we see widespread asymptomatic infections. What does this mean? The virus is very widespread and a lots less deadly than we initially thought.

Let's say your assumption is true that masks, lockdown, whatever measures would prevent "a lot of deaths." Then wouldn't it reason that we could cut down the 600,000 flu deaths every year by a substantial margin using the measures you support for COVID?

Which returns to my original question:

If you do support forced-masks and forced-lockdowns for COVID, why didn't you support them for flu? Could we not cut down the 600,000 annual deaths by a significant factor using these measures? If so, why not use them?

When you answer this question, you will mostly likely have answered my question to why I am against forced masks and forced lockdowns, even if I wear masks and practice social distancing myself - I was doing this stuff before it was even politically fashionable.

[hobart]

Originally Posted by douglas1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(In before "trumtard don't understand nuthin" and "not surprised you don't understand nuthin" and "hehe typical right wing bozo who i hope dies from covid cause i'm a ghoulish vulture")

Self-awareness is the one the the criteria for sentience. Grats.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by Castle2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. Noted.
2. Noted.

Actually, it naturally occurs in bats. Maybe it was derived from bats then engineered in a lab, but it most definitely naturally occurs in bats. Interestingly enough, in November of 2019 a Chinese lab was looking for scientists for their lab to specifically study corona virus immunity in bats. I read the site itself in Chinese. Very interesting. Maybe the chicom govt knew about the virus infecting the populace and was trying to recruit more talent to find an answer?

In either case, it's like H1N1, flu, and most viruses we run into in that, yes, it occurs naturally.

Corona virus is not going away. We still have people getting H1N1. Zero is an impossible number for this So pursuing 0 as a standard is foolish. Example: "Until we reach zero, we must blahblahblah." Bad idea.

I knew COVID IFR (infection fatalty rate) was bogus from the beginning.

IFR = DEATHS / INFECTIONS.

I'll let others debate how many REAL deaths due to COVID, but we can all agree the IFR (especially months ago) was WAY overblown. We had NO idea how widepsread it ways.

My favorite line of thinking from the media was this "It's going everywhere! Be afraid!" Ok, so we should expect a lot of infections, but then they say "It's so deadly! Be afraid!" Deadly as in many deaths per infection and the # of infections they used were simply the # of positive tests when testing wasn't widespread.

Pretty much, they want you to think infections are high when saying how infectious it is, but infections are low when they talk about how deadly it is lol (DEATHS/INFECTIONS.)

Basic math shows their base bias. Stupid people.

So back to my point.

YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY HAVE GOTTEN COVID

What we do know is the more testing we do, the more we see widespread asymptomatic infections. What does this mean? The virus is very widespread and a lots less deadly than we initially thought.

Let's say your assumption is true that masks, lockdown, whatever measures would prevent "a lot of deaths." Then wouldn't it reason that we could cut down the 600,000 flu deaths every year by a substantial margin using the measures you support for COVID?

Which returns to my original question:

If you do support forced-masks and forced-lockdowns for COVID, why didn't you support them for flu? Could we not cut down the 600,000 annual deaths by a significant factor using these measures? If so, why not use them?

When you answer this question, you will mostly likely have answered my question to why I am against forced masks and forced lockdowns, even if I wear masks and practice social distancing myself - I was doing this stuff before it was even politically fashionable.

Castle, I'm sorry but your study you just made up right now, is less credible than the studies I am reading.

You are the one making assumptions, every single data point I know about is based off of credible science. But if you think everything that I believe is fake and gay then I cant change that.

Youve made a lot of arguments ITT based off of what you "think" peopls thoughts are. What "makes sense"... But making sense doesn't mean true.

I very clearly answered your question:

3. It had to be preventable. The Covid virus is not a natural occurring virus, and if we can contain it we can kill it and prevent a lot of deaths. The flu also doesnt kill nearly as many, if as many people that got the flu to = 600k deaths, got covid it would be like 6 million deaths.

edit: (coming from bats does not mean its naturally occurring)

Not knowing things like this, and then trying to use science and logic just proves that your entire thesis is made up!

Things that seem logical, usually are not reality. Because reality is illogical.

Wear a mask, be a good citizen, be a good neighbor, make our country great!