Internal Consistency

[Snaggles]

Lock up the Rocky Road and tissues, someone is sob-singing pop song lyrics back at Youtube. Tough life being a superfan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Croco]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, KRIOT gets to cheat with impunity? Again? All the KT stalls, the Dain lull pull, the Vyemm stall, the train at Lady M, now the train at Vulak, and you want no punishment for KRIOT, but Vanquish deserves punishment for pointing it out?

Your double standard is showing.

There needs to be a punishment for crying wolf when you were actually at fault and already conceded on the mob but you're still pushing the issue.

I don't know how many times you need to be told this but I'll undertake it for the millionth time just so you can lie again in a later post. Ok lets jump right into it!

1) KT was not a stall or a kite. KT was "moving away from camp" (your leaders words not mine) for "about one DA". This has been proven. I know you'll just lie about it again though.

2) Lull pulling is not against the rules currently. Say it with me again. Lull. Pulling. Is. Not. Against. The. Rules. If you feel that it is I urge you to show me where in the server rules it says using lull is not allowed. Please show me. You can't because such a rule does not exist.

3) The "train at lady M" was a respawn that you all couldn't control and brought into our camp at the PoM cubby getting one of our LD (q'd out) necro's ae'd in the process, and eventually getting your kiter summoned and killed. You all picked up the failed kittens engage of Lady M voluntarily and everything that happened after you did was your own fault. Had you controlled the mob that spawned on your camp instead of letting it run around and ae us nowhere near it's spawn point your kiter would've likely lived.

4) I assume you're talking about the 4 way train that came back to trips. That we have assists on a vanquish member, and after which you FTE'd and killed vulak no less than 7 minutes after this supposed train. Not to mention maybe you all shouldn't run up to vulak on our FTE. Ever notice how when it's a quish FTE on vulak kriot immediately backs off, usually to doubles, and none of us go anywhere near 4way, your trains, or vulak bridge? Yet nearly every time we get vulak FTE your whole fucking raid runs all the way to at least 4 way and sometimes up to vulak cubbies? But FTE's are sacred right, at least that's what your leader thinks. Apparently not sacred enough for you all to leave us the fuck alone when we have one.

There is no argument you've ever made in good faith, no history you don't rewrite every time you post, and no lie you don't repeat endlessly even after it's been debunked in a hundred other posts with evidence that you always lack. Trying to debate you is like trying to reason with a flat earther. You don't value truth or logic so it's impossible to have a logical or truthful conversation with you or Grumph. But by all means post the same lies again. You can't help yourself.

[Grumph]

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is no argument you've ever made in good faith, no history you don't rewrite every time you post, and no lie you don't repeat endlessly even after it's been debunked in a hundred other posts with evidence that you always lack. Trying to debate you is like trying to reason with a flat earther. You don't value truth or logic so it's impossible to have a logical or truthful conversation with you...

I can see now why so many speakers for <Riot> and <Kittens Who Say Ngar> think that lies, manipulation, and political games are justified.

If you truly believe your opponents are all of these things… it does make logical sense to respond in the ways we’ve seen.

Repay evil for evil? I believe there is a better way. Philosophies differ.


Maybe we should all get together at one of Norrath’s many available establishments, get in voice, hang out, and have a couple drinks. Do you know how much bad blood that was spilled on a Rugby pitch, was washed away later that day at the pub?

There are even layers of respect that only an opponent can offer you. They get to whiteness first hand what you do on the field where many of your own team mates can only watch from the sidelines.

Then we may begin to find common ground. And. Perhaps someday we’ll all be able to agree on at least one thing:

A Solemn Public Oath Against Toxicity and Mind Reading

[xdrcfrx]

Originally Posted by Grumph [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can see now why so many speakers for <Riot> and <Kittens Who Say Ngar> think that lies, manipulation, and political games are justified.

If you truly believe your opponents are all of these things… it does make logical sense to respond in the ways we’ve seen.

Repay evil for evil? I believe there is a better way. Philosophies differ.


Maybe we should all get together at one of Norrath’s many available establishments, get in voice, hang out, and have a couple drinks. Do you know how much bad blood that was spilled on a Rugby pitch, was washed away later that day at the pub?

There are even layers of respect that only an opponent can offer you. They get to whiteness first hand what you do on the field where many of your own team mates can only watch from the sidelines.

Then we may begin to find common ground. And. Perhaps someday we’ll all be able to agree on at least one thing:

A Solemn Public Oath Against Toxicity and Mind Reading

honor your bet straiker. time to delete.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1) KT was not a stall or a kite. KT was "moving away from camp" (your leaders words not mine) for "about one DA". This has been proven. I know you'll just lie about it again though.

A DA is 3 ticks, which can be up to 24 seconds. That is the absolute max. Anything longer is a stall. You cannot rewrite it to say "for about one DA" and mean 25+ seconds. Still a stall.

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2) Lull pulling is not against the rules

Yes it is.

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You all picked up the failed kittens engage of Lady M

Come on, you're halfway there to admitting the truth... Trained by Kittens... Come on, say it...

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

4) I assume you're talking about the 4 way train that came back to trips. That we have assists on a vanquish member, and after which you FTE'd and killed vulak no less than 7 minutes after this supposed train. Not to mention maybe you all shouldn't run up to vulak on our FTE. Ever notice how when it's a quish FTE on vulak kriot immediately backs off, usually to doubles, and none of us go anywhere near 4way, your trains, or vulak bridge? Yet nearly every time we get vulak FTE your whole fucking raid runs all the way to at least 4 way and sometimes up to vulak cubbies? But FTE's are sacred right, at least that's what your leader thinks. Apparently not sacred enough for you all to leave us the fuck alone when we have one.

No need to circumcise the mosquito on this one. Your guild has already admitted fault. If you disagree with that, please take it up with your leadership.

I love how you don't even address the Vyemm stall. Is that one too provable for you to try to gaslight us on?

[k9quaint]

Watching the Vanquish white nights slobber all over these threads, desperate to sway public opinion is quite the sight.

The GMs don't care about public opinion, so you can take it down a notch.
There are no rules anymore, so why are you nerds worried about anything?

[xdrcfrx]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Come on, you're halfway there to admitting the truth... Trained by Kittens... Come on, say it...

...

I love how you don't even address the Vyemm stall. Is that one too provable for you to try to gaslight us on?

your leadership dropped kittens from that M petition, you should get on the same page with them.

your leadership did petition that vyemm, and the GM's did nothing because it was a laughable attempt to wring free mobs out of us in bad faith.

you are living in a false reality. it's not too late. seek help.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by xdrcfrx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

your leadership did petition that vyemm, and the GM's did nothing because it was a laughable attempt to wring free mobs out of us in bad faith.

You want to talk about false reality... Here is the quote from Galach:

2:17 PM] Galach: In the future, @@Riot please stop COTH and disengage if it's a wipe. The extra couple COTH's didn't change the result as Vanquish still picked it up and killed Vyemm. Due to this, we will not be punishing Riot.

So he says you did wrong, but you're not being punished because you suck. It doesn't mean you didn't try to cheat.

Originally Posted by xdrcfrx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

your leadership dropped kittens from that M petition, you should get on the same page with them.

Kittens was dropped from the Lady M petition for the same reason. It is our experience so far that if you cheat and lose, the current server staff will not punish the offending parties.

I'm sorry you suck [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[xdrcfrx]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what about all those times you did a bad that was so bad we didn't actually complain about it or the gm's said it wasn't bad?

"Whataboutism, also known as whataboutery, is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument"

[Samoht]

Haha, you know you got them in a corner when they change the subject.

The pattern of behavior is established that Riot and Kittens will cheat to win, and their petitions and behavior in the UN is proof of their hypocrisy.

When called out on this, they flounder and gaslight.

The answer from Vanquish is the same as it always was: play on.

Quit crying and play the fucking game.