P99 Raiding Guide (moved)

[booter]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So they bragged about killing Gore with 30 people when they were using a blatant exploit? As hasbinbad would say, "oh the irony".

What exploit were we using? I want to know!

Dispelling a dispellable debuff?

[Fourthmeal]

Exploiters gonna exploit

[baalzy]

Probably the using duel to dispel the buff, since you can only dispel yourself normally.

[Fourthmeal]

Originally Posted by baalzy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Probably the using duel to dispel the buff, since you can only dispel yourself normally.

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[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by booter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What exploit were we using? I want to know!

Dispelling a dispellable debuff?

While I'm not sure if it was dispel-able at all in classic, what I am sure of is that the strategy takes advantage of the Songs window and the fact that songs don't go to the main buff window here like they did in classic. So you get to have 166 extra MR and 83 CR from bard songs while at the same time being able to dispel detrimental buffs in the top two slots of your main buff window, when you should only be able to do one of those things at most. In classic, either the Bard songs would get dispelled because they'd be occupying those slots in the main buff window, or the Bard would have to begin casting his resist songs really early while those two slots were occupied (and then later clicked off), making this strategy fall apart if ever the Bard has to go afk, or drops a song while they're twisting, or gets feared, etc. If this worked as intended it would also mean that Bards wouldn't be able to play Alenia's Disenchanting Melody at the same time as reliably since they'd have other songs they'd need to flawlessly twist at the same time. Basically, subject to classic conditions, this method would be so complicated and unreliable that you would just default to stacking resists and hoping for the best.

I'm not saying that TR should be punished in any way for this (they aren't the only guild to have used this method anyhow), but that bragging over a 30 person Gore kill is really disingenuous when you had to abuse a flaw with the client to accomplish it.

Probably the using duel to dispel the buff, since you can only dispel yourself normally.

Dueling has nothing to do with it [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Mcbard]

Pretty sure Alenia's Disenchanting Melody is broke.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Mcbard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty sure Alenia's Disenchanting Melody is broke.

It's not really relevant, but according to the last patch notes it was fixed.
edit: nevermind, just kanras said it was fixed next update

[Ennoia]

Originally Posted by bakkily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the only thing that takes skill, is to kill soandso named tough mob, with the least amount of people, but i havnt seen a tr raid, and from what ive heard/read, they do it in numbers

False statement, at least from my experience. The only times we had the massive zerg force is when 2 other guilds were competing in zone for CT and we wanted to get the pull. Otherwise is was usually less than 40 people, sometimes less than 30, per target.

You're right though, early EQ raiding was all tank and spank, with the only skill required being from people being on the right targets, and healers keeping people up from the AE. Real raid mechanics don't start until much later on, and when they do, the game locked the raid numbers to 54 people per raid.

[Amelinda]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While I'm not sure if it was dispel-able at all in classic,

it was dispellable on live in classic.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Amelinda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it was dispellable on live in classic.

right, I wasn't sure either way because I never raided, I just know that there was no song window and that the way dispel interacts with songs right now currently makes this strategy much more viable than it would have been in classic (hence my previous post).