Question for p99 vets

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can only imagine moderating this place. It's mostly insane drivel, there are only like 10 people, but they're insanely prolific, and about 8 of them would be outspoken racists if it didn't result in an occasional vacation. So they're dog whistle racists/bigots. But wait, they also veeerryyy sloowlly push the boundaries until there is a purge. Rinse/repeat. Yikes.

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The only dude I've seen who is racist is that guy who is now banned who rants about jewish people all the time. I literally can't think of any other poster who I'd consider covertly racist much less openly racist. Also nice mind reading trick: "sure nobody here is saying anything racist but I know they really arrrrrreee!!!"

By far the most alarming trend here to me is the weird quasi-religious biblical stuff that some people will just go into these crazy long tangents about. I still don't know if it's genuine or not but it doesn't really matter. And whatever sadre is.

[Origen]

Toxigen is pretty openly racist. So is Homesteaded.

There's a few covert ones too, Ben Shapiro fan, but I prefer them to think they're clever.

[aussenseiter]

Originally Posted by Origen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's a few covert ones too, Ben Shapiro fan, but I prefer them to think they're clever.

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[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by Origen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Toxigen is pretty openly racist. So is Homesteaded.

There's a few covert ones too, Ben Shapiro fan, but I prefer them to think they're clever.

Tell me how you can tell a "covert" racist from a regular one?

Ben Shapiro isn't a racist, neither is matt walsh. I know you think they are, and yet they aren't. How am I to reconcile these facts?

[Evia]

Racism is a serious thing and yall are making the word lose all meaning when you throw it around inaccurately. "Ohhh this guy doesn't agree with me he must be racist!11!"

The only racism I see daily is white racism. Because society says that's ok to do.

Judging anyone based off the color of their skin is racism. Not someone you don't like.

[Lune]

Being against millions of illegal immigrants flooding across the border - not racist

Wanting bigotry-against-whites to calm down a bit - not racist

Teaching students about things like slavery - not racist

Originally Posted by Trexller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

why aren't those kids in school or at home hanging out with their fathers, or volunteering at a charity?

You know, building character and learning life skills from upstanding and responsible citizens?

mystery mystery

Originally Posted by Trexller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you know exactly why black culture is the way it is, its just really uncomfortable for your liberal beta-man brain, so instead of growing the balls to admit they are their own problem, you would rather blame your own race, because you're a cowardly cuck boy.

- at least slightly racist

[aussenseiter]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Teaching students about things like slavery - not racist

Even if you teach them the Corwin Amendment?

[Seducio]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tell me how you can tell a "covert" racist from a regular one

Funny how this thread devolved into politics like many do that don't start that way. This might be my last post of the thread as it has shifted to different topic.

To answer your question it really has to do with framework of understanding. A human typically adopts the following models for racism and then applies them to reality. This makes it so two different people with different frameworks talk past each other with purposeful triggering language. It's a version of 'Beautiful Trouble' to shift the Overton window by making everyone upset with each other while the elites change the rules.

Here are the frameworks most Americans view racism with from most popular to least popular:

1. Content of Character - MLK's Colorblind framework - is fashionable amongst conservatives and old school liberals. The idea is not that a human does not see race/color, but rather is taught not to judge others by immutable characteristics and rather to judge them by their character. It is individualistic.

2. Systemic Racism - Ie. CRT: Critical Race Theory - is fashionable amongst progressives, academics, and elites of the D party. The idea is that society is oppressive to black people and 'people of color' (a relatively new term) in general and so nearly everything in society is 'White Supremacy' which create this alleged oppression. Therefore even people who deny being racist are covertly acting racist. It's collectivist.

3. Segregationism - A old 'separate but equal' model that fell out of fashion in the 60s and yet is making a comeback due to a progressive embrace of 'black only' or 'poc only' spaces at universities. Meanwhile there has always been an extreme element of the conservative movement that still embraces segregation in remote parts of the country. Typically tied Xenophobia and Tribalism. It's localism.

4. I don't care/Racism doesn't matter - This model used to far more popular than it currently is. Essentially those in the Systemic Racism camp used the phrase 'Silence is Violence' during the George Floyd protest to get people emotionally whipped up and into the streets that typically don't care about politics. After they did that it became difficult to fall back into that camp again. Those that don't care about racism are still around and there are many of them. It's the privilege of living in modernity.

When anyone from any of these four models interacts with anyone from one of the other models sparks fly because the definition of racism will differ for all of them.

[Origen]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tell me how you can tell a "covert" racist from a regular one?

Ben Shapiro isn't a racist, neither is matt walsh. I know you think they are, and yet they aren't. How am I to reconcile these facts?

I'm not giving you tips on how to conceal right wing racism, but I will summarize by saying you all do a really shitty job.

Hope this does not help!

[magnetaress]

Originally Posted by Seducio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Funny how this thread devolved into politics like many do that don't start that way. This might be my last post of the thread as it has shifted to different topic.

To answer your question it really has to do with framework of understanding. A human typically adopts the following models for racism and then applies them to reality. This makes it so two different people with different frameworks talk past each other with purposeful triggering language. It's a version of 'Beautiful Trouble' to shift the Overton window by making everyone upset with each other while the elites change the rules.

Here are the frameworks most Americans view racism with from most popular to least popular:

1. Content of Character - MLK's Colorblind framework - is fashionable amongst conservatives and old school liberals. The idea is not that a human does not see race/color, but rather is taught not to judge others by immutable characteristics and rather to judge them by their character. It is individualistic.

2. Systemic Racism - Ie. CRT: Critical Race Theory - is fashionable amongst progressives, academics, and elites of the D party. The idea is that society is oppressive to black people and 'people of color' (a relatively new term) in general and so nearly everything in society is 'White Supremacy' which create this alleged oppression. Therefore even people who deny being racist are covertly acting racist. It's collectivist.

3. Segregationism - A old 'separate but equal' model that fell out of fashion in the 60s and yet is making a comeback due to a progressive embrace of 'black only' or 'poc only' spaces at universities. Meanwhile there has always been an extreme element of the conservative movement that still embraces segregation in remote parts of the country. Typically tied Xenophobia and Tribalism. It's localism.

4. I don't care/Racism doesn't matter - This model used to far more popular than it currently is. Essentially those in the Systemic Racism camp used the phrase 'Silence is Violence' during the George Floyd protest to get people emotionally whipped up and into the streets that typically don't care about politics. After they did that it became difficult to fall back into that camp again. Those that don't care about racism are still around and there are many of them. It's the privilege of living in modernity.

When anyone from any of these four models interacts with anyone from one of the other models sparks fly because the definition of racism will differ for all of them.

What am I. I want a new culture not based on race, butt individual excellence, where you die if you're a monster or idiot who is blatantly animalistic, deceitful, needlessly aggressive, selfish and undisciplined.