Ranking top 20 War Agro Weapons (any zone)

[Snaggles]

Much of this comes down to a wine tasters preference, not a bottleneck of progression. Nobody would argue a kflame is better than willsapper but it is “viable”? Of course. Also if you have one with a warrior you probably have an epic and a bag of other weapons so it’s a moot point.

More is viable on p99 in 2024 than was imaginable on live during Velious…this is an overtuned fever dream of nostalgia. I would tend to avoid trading the currency of absolutes. It’s just a matter of time until people find yet another way to crack this pixelated nut if no other reason than boredom. If a few rogues die for science, all the better.

[Naethyn]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If a few rogues die for science, all the better.

[Eisai]

I'm still trying to figure out how we did Vulak on live. Pre-luclin. My guild only had 70 players on for raids and only 3 of those were rogues but we managed it twice before the moon opened. Server was slow to progress at the time but we were #1. #2 was a horde that could field 250 but they never even managed to kill aary.

[AEH84]

Originally Posted by Eisai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm still trying to figure out how we did Vulak on live. Pre-luclin. My guild only had 70 players on for raids and only 3 of those were rogues but we managed it twice before the moon opened. Server was slow to progress at the time but we were #1. #2 was a horde that could field 250 but they never even managed to kill aary.

If you're talking about aggro specifically, Vulak is a whole different ball of wax based off the way he's currently killed. I just use red blade and an aary shield but i doubt that's optimal.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by AEH84 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you're talking about aggro specifically, Vulak is a whole different ball of wax based off the way he's currently killed. I just use red blade and an aary shield but i doubt that's optimal.

^ this. Most of the hardest fights are rooted, with clickies, and a fairly long aggro establishment period before DPS is called.

On live I didn’t parse but had a Vyemm dagger rogue. Based on experience with aggro and concern I’d be yelled at by raid leaders, I just waited until 95% to jump in. This worked very well. Geared out monks and rogues here probably do the same. I do my ranger when BFG’ing. Knights and most rangers shouldn’t be concerned after 99-98%. Counting procs and lawnchair quarterbacking the warrior’s choice of weapons won’t change much…they won’t want your constructive feedback lol.

Unless clickies or spells are involved melee aggro and melee dps more or less are on a curve. The curve of a red blade primary and proc offhand though is a much less smooth and RNG dependant than the curve than say a Willsapper/Nevs horn. Unfortunately once the threshold of dps aggro overcomes tank aggro that dps often takes a dirt nap. Unless they can quickly back out of range from a rooted raid mob or have an idol/FD ready to click.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Eisai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm still trying to figure out how we did Vulak on live. Pre-luclin. My guild only had 70 players on for raids and only 3 of those were rogues but we managed it twice before the moon opened. Server was slow to progress at the time but we were #1. #2 was a horde that could field 250 but they never even managed to kill aary.

From what I’ve gathered over the years, p99 is hugely overtuned relative to live. Mobs hit consistently harder, resists (both outgoing and incoming are borked).

If you could take a group of average p99 raiders knowing what they know and geared as they are into a Time Machine and put them on live servers before Luclin - content would be a cake walk.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

From what I’ve gathered over the years, p99 is hugely overtuned relative to live. Mobs hit consistently harder, resists (both outgoing and incoming are borked).

If you could take a group of average p99 raiders knowing what they know and geared as they are into a Time Machine and put them on live servers before Luclin - content would be a cake walk.

it is cake walk, we 1 shot every velious mob day one in rampage.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

From what I’ve gathered over the years, p99 is hugely overtuned relative to live. Mobs hit consistently harder, resists (both outgoing and incoming are borked).

If you could take a group of average p99 raiders knowing what they know and geared as they are into a Time Machine and put them on live servers before Luclin - content would be a cake walk.

Vulak is a particularly good example because in original EQ Vulak was such a wuss the encounter had to be taken out of the game completely once word got out, and he wasn't put back in until such a time as the encounter could be modified to add a semblance of difficulty. The main barrier to high-end progression in the original game was that mode of gameplay wasn't the type of draw it is on P99, most players never raided at all or very seldom, with that minority being spread out between a bunch of servers, and exceedingly few guilds could produce the kind of stable roster needed to progress at that level.

[Jimjam]

Shortsword*

You can’t improve on perfection.

[WarpathEQ]

It begs the question is DEX being undervalued for end game tanks?

My rogue can pull agro off any warrior I've seen (willsapper/red blade, ect). Using just the zlexak dagger (procs) and epic offhand. Haven't tested it against a tank that has a Sceptre of Destruction, but pretty sure I got them beat too going all in.

The one thing everyone is in agreement on is that proc agro is the most effective way to build the most amount of threat. Maybe the answer lies in optimizing +DEX as much as optimising between the handful of generally agreed upon best agro weapons.

I know, I know...HP and AC are key but just maybe there's some min/maxing that can be done with DEX to build an agro warrior that can rival knights.