Swarming - No Fear/POG/Velks?

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Eisai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only an elf lawyer would bother posting the same question after everyone has reiterated again and again what is obvious.

The zones on the list are now disallowed from swarming (bard dot kiting).
If your raid tactic is to have a bard run in circles twisting dots on a cluster of mobs until they are dead then you are SOL. Try something else. Maybe mage wizard druid and enchanter recruitment will increase.

Any bards that want to ae dot kite plane of fear are welcome to try it.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by Eisai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only an elf lawyer would bother posting the same question after everyone has reiterated again and again what is obvious.

There two questions being raised, not one and not even the one you've pointed out as being obvious. The list is the list, obviously, despite the fact that it is not intuitive and must be referenced. And to that the point, it was originally posted in 2020 and then edited in 2023. Now, with the new rule in effect, the mundane details have different applications and are worth scrutinizing. These are the two main questions...

1) What zone features cause PoF and PoG to be classified as dungeons?
2) How is the ruling meant to be interpreted? When it states that bard swarming/AE kiting is disallowed, it also includes spells and other classes as being disallowed, which makes sense as both can be involved with bard swarming/AE kiting to powerlevel. However, those spells and other classes are also necessary for AE piles in PoF which could be viewed as bard swarming/AE kiting because similar results are achieved, no different from Chardok AE groups of the past which have been disallowed.

Originally Posted by Eisai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The zones on the list are now disallowed from swarming (bard dot kiting). If your raid tactic is to have a bard run in circles twisting dots on a cluster of mobs until they are dead then you are SOL. Try something else. Maybe mage wizard druid and enchanter recruitment will increase.

Again, this is why the rule (correctly) includes spells and other classes because the bard does not need to apply dots to maintain the kite and for the desired result to be achieved. This however creates a Venn diagram, where raid tactics overlap with those of soloers/powerlevelers, both of which disrupt zones and generate petitions.

These questions aren't being asked to ruleslawyer, but for simplicity's sake and greater clarity, which was the stated purpose of the rule change itself.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1) What zone features cause PoF and PoG to be classified as dungeons?

The staff said so ... it's just that simple.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The staff said so ... it's just that simple.

I get that. But, as is the case with many rulings, it doesn't make sense. The population has become desensitized/beaten into submission though. The beatings will continue, I guess.

[Nietche]

Funny. P99 should never have had made it impossible to AOE in Sky Fire, a place where absolutely no one xps anyway. The snowball has rolled from there.

[Reiwa]

Skyfire and Timorous Deep would also be disallowed by that definition.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Skyfire and Timorous Deep would also be disallowed by that definition.

Not to mention Cobalt Scar (Kelorek`Dar) and Wakening Lands (Wuoshi).

[Reiwa]

As well as, of course, The Dreadlands.

[Reiwa]

Not to mention The Emerald Jungle.

I don't want to because it's an awful zone.

[Duik]

Sounds a bit closed to me Samoht.

Good luck to the (inevitable) lawyer questers though.