Found my first a-hole on the Blue Server

[Kavious]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here on P99 you could stand in front of a spawn point all day long: it doesn't matter, and it doesn't grant that mob to you. The mob is only "your's" if you kill it previously, otherwise it goes to whoever engages it first.

What about Hadden? You arrive and no one theres and stand around for 4-6 hours and someone that knows the timer can log in and snipe it away from you and its theirs if they tag it first?

Then something like StormFeather. Its after a Quake so you pretty much know the timer and no ones there. You can stand there for 2-3 days and its still not your camp and someone else can FTE it because they know you didnt kill the last one?

Ive always considered camps belong to the person thats already there if they killed the previous spawn or not. If I kill a named/ph and leave zone and come back and someone else is there before respawn I dont try to compete for it, I just consider it their camp now

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think low level players can sell it.

It sounds like the wall-starer has rights but was caught unaware that someone with a timer would be logging in for it.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Kavious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What about Hadden? You arrive and no one theres and stand around for 4-6 hours and someone that knows the timer can log in and snipe it away from you and its theirs if they tag it first?

Originally Posted by Kavious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then something like StormFeather. Its after a Quake so you pretty much know the timer and no ones there. You can stand there for 2-3 days and its still not your camp and someone else can FTE it because they know you didnt kill the last one?

So, there are a few special cases for specific mobs. The staff refuses to always enforce those cases the same way, and so they don't publish them (eg. on the PnP) ... but in practice they generally do what past GMs have done. Awhile back, I started collecting those https://wiki.project1999.com/Camp_Rulings.

As you can see on that page, GM Menden made a ruling on Stormfeather back in 2018, while GM Andakos covered Hadden in 2019.

However, both basically say the same thing as the general rules: even when a mob has a very long respawn time, whoever killed it last (ie. is camping it) can keep their claim ... even if that means they sit AFK for most of the time. They just have to follow the general rules: don't zone, die, or camp, and engage it when it spawns.

If no one killed it previously (or whoever did left), it's free for anyone to take. The guy who showed up 2 hours before the spawn has no greater claim then someone who showed up two minutes before.

Originally Posted by Kavious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ive always considered camps belong to the person thats already there if they killed the previous spawn or not. If I kill a named/ph and leave zone and come back and someone else is there before respawn I dont try to compete for it, I just consider it their camp now

That's great for you, but that's not the rules the people who made this place setup.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Kavious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If I kill a named/ph and leave zone and come back and someone else is there before respawn I dont try to compete for it, I just consider it their camp now

P.S. I should note that this part isn't anything special you do, it's the server rules. When anyone leaves the zone, they lose all camp claims ... so it's not just you "consider[ing] it their camp now" ... it's the GMs also.

[Kavious]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

P.S. I should note that this part isn't anything special you do, it's the server rules. When anyone leaves the zone, they lose all camp claims ... so it's not just you "consider[ing] it their camp now" ... it's the GMs also.

Isnt this the opposite of what you've said previously? That its not their camp and whoever gets FTE is who it will belong to since the person who arrived had not killed the previous spawn

[loramin]

Oh sorry, I missed the "before respawn" part. Yeah at that point it's FTE, so you are going beyond the rules by not contesting (when you absolutely could).

[Kavious]

Ok yeah I was just making sure I understood. Im aware of the written camp rules but some of these specific scenarios I've not seen how GMs rule them

It just seems crazy to me that someone can kill the Warrens King, camp and come back 46-47 mins later and as long as they keep getting FTE over anyone else waiting around they are not doing anything wrong

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Kavious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It just seems crazy to me that someone can kill the Warrens King, camp and come back 46-47 mins later and as long as they keep getting FTE over anyone else waiting around they are not doing anything wrong

Correct ... when no one else wants king.

But the moment anyone says "cc king" or "is anyone camping king" or anything similar, the camp holder has to stay near the camp (until it is once again uncontested).

[loramin]

Originally Posted by PnP

You do not necessarily need to be at the spawn point to call it 'claimed' while it is uncontested, however, if someone else wishes to contest the 'camp' you do need to return to the 'camp' and maintain a presence at or very near the spawn(s) in order to hold it.

[Kavious]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Correct ... when no one else wants king.

But the moment anyone says "cc king" or "is anyone camping king" or anything similar, the camp holder has to stay near the camp (until it is once again uncontested).

This shouldnt matter to the one that wants to camp and come back and compete for FTE every 48 mins. As long as they keep getting FTE, its their kill and no one else waiting around can claim camp if they didnt kill the previous spawn?