Poll: Should the Management have been harsher with the 365 cheaters?

[casdegere]

Originally Posted by Vohl [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A server run purely for fun may well run for years. A server run purely for duty only stays up until those running it find better things to do with their time. Try to consider this the next time you trash talk GMs for not doing their duty.

We're fortunate they're as diligent as they are. It is no little trick to come up with the cheat detector they did. The amount of coding time sunk into that could instead have brought VP or epics into play sooner. They clearly consider the issue important enough to address.

No one is trash talking anyone. This is where all of your arguments falter. The rules were stated in black and white and the devs had banned people in the past for this very same offense. All that is being asked is that they stand behind the rules they themselves wrote for us to follow. I play by them every day I logon. They had an opportunity to send a clear message about cheating but they faltered. I thought the devs stood behind their rules but I, we are mistaken.

[Spoodowg2000bc]

yeah level 40 friend banned for 2-boxing really hurting community

many level 60s do worse shit with raid mobs, big loot mobs and community would be hurt too much without them?

[Kope]

Originally Posted by Spoodowg2000bc [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yeah level 40 friend banned for 2-boxing really hurting community

many level 60s do worse shit with raid mobs, big loot mobs and community would be hurt too much without them?

Too big to ban?

Sorry bad joke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In all reality they are trying to think of the long term health of the server. If 350 of the 700/800 prime time players are banned that does take the server down quite a bit.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Kope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In all reality they are trying to think of the long term health of the server. If 350 of the 700/800 prime time players are banned that does take the server down quite a bit.

and letting a bunch of SEQers with SEQ'd items come back practically clean slate is cool too? If you want to talk about the health of the server you need also consider the people who are pissed about the way this went down and there's almost certainly more than 350 of them. i can understand your argument, but it's weak when you look at the bigger picture. Can i two-box or SEQ now and get a 2 week punishment, stripped bank $$ and a small exp penalty? how about the rest of us? how about those before? numbers shouldn't make a difference when handing out punishments. Furthermore, when punishments are dealt, they're done so in a fashion that hopefully contributes to the overall health of the server and this was definitely a step in the wrong direction. The cheaters will come back and they'll be raiding again and some of them will almost certainly be cheating again. you can't add another .dll file and expect to get anywhere near the same results the next time. chances are that you won't see the cheaters till they've found a way around it and then they'll be back. Like i said, it was a chance to purge the server of a *massive* cheating population and right a lot of wrongs, but instead the legit p99ers just got kicked in the teeth

[Spoodowg2000bc]

Originally Posted by Kope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Too big to ban?

Sorry bad joke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In all reality they are trying to think of the long term health of the server. If 350 of the 700/800 prime time players are banned that does take the server down quite a bit.

well server's fucked either way if it's half cheaters

[Vohl]

Originally Posted by casdegere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one is trash talking anyone.

"uth has proven more than once that he's a total pussy"

How else am I to read this?

[Runningfish]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Quite a few of us have been here since day one, and in countless threads have demonstrated our gratitude and thanks for the server. A lot of us have donated in the past, giving money to help with server costs. So get off the box, bro. I understand what you're saying, but...

What about the countless time , hours and effort a lot of us put in from day one...tracking, scouting, playing by the rules...and we find out that what we always suspected was justified?

How many of us eventually went on hiatus pretty much frustrated with the whole thing, but we still love the game and the server enough to stick around, thinking it will get better before Velious?

Yeah, it's a 12 year-old emulated game, but that doesn't change the fact that all of us are here because we love it, including the ones that break out with the "QQ over an 12 year-old game" BS.

Yeah, there are a lot of people pretty smoked about it all. I'm happy the Devs got them, yeah...but I'm pretty pissed a slap on the wrist is all they get. That's what their anonymity buys them, because this too, will pass...not to mention the fact that some of them are more than smart enough to figure out how to get around it with code injectors. For every anti-cheat, there are cheaters good enough to bust it.

And they'll still be here.

Your right, some of these guys will continue cheating but that's probably a very small % of them. IMO if you guys want more punishment then you as players have to take action. Everyone likes to say that losing plat and a couple levels isn't bad but those levels lost should be a red flag for any guild to know who their hacking players are. At this point punishment becomes the guilds responsibility, they can choose to let it slide or boot the players. If your guild decides to let it slide then make them see it differently or leave and convince others to leave.

Right now your all pretty much crying over spilt milk, I think most people would agree that the GM's aren't going to change their minds. Change the discussion from "waaa the gm's aren't doing enough" to "what can we be doing as guilds and players".

[Skope]

uth = uthgaard. and he knows ive been calling him a pussy for a while now. only one way to read it, really =P

[Vohl]

Yup. Trash talking. Thought so.

[Nepenthe]

If there was that much known cheating going on with any other major online game they would have all be banned no questions asked.