Help me with stats for my Rogue. Been to long

[JayFiveAlive]

Maybe a dev could post exactly what's true with DW... I've always wondered [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Karorn]

In that case it's working off the delay of your fists due to a weapon not being in your hand.

[Karorn]

Here's how you test it if you really want to see for yourself if that works that way (I'll stand by it working that way on live unless someone can supply a source to prove me wrong). Get a high level monk with his DW maxed out. Put a weapon that's faster than his fists in the offhand. Click attack and watch as you do both crushing and punching damage at the same time everytime, with the punches showing up first in the text box.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Karorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In that case it's working off the delay of your fists due to a weapon not being in your hand.

No, it doesn't. You're NOT HITTING with your fist. I've personally done several things to prove this to myself. Reiker's test is the best evidence, but I've seen plenty first hand. If you want to believe something different, that's cool, but I defy you to post some kind of evidence stronger than that test for your premise. I'm open minded, but I doubt very seriously your ability to put your money where your mouth is in this case.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Karorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's how you test it if you really want to see for yourself if that works that way (I'll stand by it working that way on live unless someone can supply a source to prove me wrong). Get a high level monk with his DW maxed out. Put a weapon that's faster than his fists in the offhand. Click attack and watch as you do both crushing and punching damage at the same time everytime, with the punches showing up first in the text box.

Show evidence please. I've observed the exact opposite of what you are saying using 2 types of weapons (you pierce, you crush). I don't believe you! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Karorn]

I haven't tested it, I was giving you a legit test to try. The firebeetle eye thing is stupid. Just because the main hand isn't swinging doesn't mean the delay of the fist isn't being used for the skill check in the background. I certainly could be wrong, but I really don't think all the people on live doing the high damage/delay for the offhand were all insane. If so, then Druzzil Ro was full of crazy monks and warriors.

If that's not how it works here then emu is incorrect *shrug* I would love to see some screenshots proving how things work on p99 one way or the other with the test I gave.

edit: I suppose you wouldn't even need a monk for this, any class with DW would do even better since their naked mainhand would be slower.

[Karorn]

I found an old thread on the subject, apparently I was wrong on this, but it was a common misconception. I never played a melee on live so I guess this is what I get for taking other people's word on it 10 years ago :P I also learned that there's no damage bonus on the offhand, which I didn't know.

I still stand by the firebeetle eye test being stupid though :P

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Karorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

..blah blah blah.. ..apparently I was wrong.. ..blah blah, I'm a dipshit, blah blah..

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[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by mitic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

dex reduces miss rates too and thats the whole point of dex for rogues

I remember seeing that in the Kunark manual, but I have never been shown any actual evidence of this, and it never seemed to be true to me. Do you have any? Have you parsed logs with low and high dex and calc'd missrates? I would be VERY interested to know if this is factual or not. I am *not* saying you're wrong, I'm just asking.

[Karorn]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

blah blah blah I insult people to feel better about myself blah blah blah

Look I'm cool and creative too! Do people like me yet? Maybe I should be more insulting!