Helping population - a moderate approach to permabans

[Tradesonred]

If you implement a rule like say:

First infraction: a week ban

Second infraction: a month ban

Lots of people will think: "I get 2 get out of jail free cards before i have to stop boxing. On this account"

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Tradesonred [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you implement a rule like say:

First infraction: a week ban

Second infraction: a month ban

Lots of people will think: "I get 2 get out of jail free cards before i have to stop boxing. On this account"

Grats on first intelligent post

[Amelinda]

Originally Posted by goalie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Speeding is against the rules too, but everyone does a little and most dont get caught.

Boxing shouldn't be a big deal just to trade an item or toss a buff or something for helping your lowbie level.

disallowing something that honestly doesn't hurt anyone doesn't help an already dying server.

I'm sure all you rule nuthuggers have never gone over the speed limit in your car, never smoked a joint, never cheated on a test or a girlfriend or ever broken any rule ever.

I very rarely speed. I don't break rules. I have never smoked a joint or done any illegal drugs at all. Have never cheated on a test or paper or anything like that, never cheated on a boyfriend.

Rules are there for a reason.

[Cast v27.5]

Originally Posted by goalie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Speeding is against the rules too, but everyone does a little and most dont get caught.

Boxing shouldn't be a big deal just to trade an item or toss a buff or something for helping your lowbie level.

disallowing something that honestly doesn't hurt anyone doesn't help an already dying server.

I'm sure all you rule nuthuggers have never gone over the speed limit in your car, never smoked a joint, never cheated on a test or a girlfriend or ever broken any rule ever.

Attack of the straw man

Poster is clearly stupid irl so he wont understand my reply. Still not sure what this argument is about because there isnt a more clear advantageous method of cheating on a pvp server than boxing when other people cant.

[Amelinda]

Originally Posted by Cast v27.5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Attack of the straw man

Poster is clearly stupid irl so he wont understand my reply. Still not sure what this argument is about because there isnt a more clear advantageous method of cheating on a pvp server than boxing when other people cant.

It is very rare that I find myself agreeing with Cast [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have to look at this like this.....this is PVP box. WAY different from a PVE Box.

If we go easy on a blue box on this then sure...gold farmers may get richer, the economy may suffer. guilds may have skewed advantages. If we go easy on boxers on the red box it would be devastating.

There is a very special subset of people out there on the web who enjoy ACTUAL TRUE PVP (Not the instanced battlegrounds junk) There is an even smaller subset of those folks who enjoy Classic EQ or EQ PVP. So the pool of possible people that we could ever get to play here is finite anyway.

many people have left for various reasons over the past few months and that leaves us with an even smaller set of people to play on our box.

When you have a smaller population then cause and effect is always more pronounced. The waves seem larger because there are fewer people.

Because there are fewer people to group with / trade with / buff each other and just generally hang out with......it makes things different than on a more populated blue server

We have nightly a population of around 130. That's a small number of people when you spread them over 100 zones. If Cast comes at me 1v1 lvl 50 bard v lvl 50 bard then we could legitimately PVP for a long time depending on how dedicated we both are to the fight and our skill. If I am secretly schlepping around a druid box it's over. If Cast beats me then I'm stupid, but more than that it is INCREDIBLY unfair to him. I get bored of PVP? We can both run the same run speed. so he could keep up with me no matter what. Unless I ran over to where I have a hidden druid and cast port on my druid and time it to land just after i get there. Or a well timed heal or nuke.

Not only that, but the second box would enable me to farm equipment so much easier than Cast who would have to wait for a second person to play a druid.

Something like this is a MASSIVE Game breaker and I read pleas for lenience and i'm like "Gee! You either haven't thought this through or just don't care."

People always think their behavior warrants a shortening of the sentence.

"But I was only trading items over to my alt"
Ok. But that's not fair to the other 100 people who chose not to cheat, who have to wait for HOURS sometimes to trade items over, or they ultimately drop transfer and then get fucked because the items poof when the login server goes down or because Amapolo ran through the zone and found the items and "Finders-keepers'd" them. It's not fair to the people who ask a guildy to transfer items and the guildy /q's and steals their stuff. Yes. Small offense. But HUGE ramifications when you look at the entire picture.

"But I was only Porting/buffing!"
Again that is not fair to the 100 or so other people who have to wait for a port or find a druid. Had a player petition yesterday because he handed his last 10 plat to a druid who said he'd port this guy to commonlands and then the druid ran off and responded he didn't even have that port.

"I just had my trader there because I was looking to buy X"
And i'm sure everyone else wishes they had that luxury as well.

"I was only waiting for X to spawn while i messed around on my bard."

Well. Once again. It is unfair to the other people who choose to follow the rules.

I don't LIKE being a hardass. But It's totally unfair to go easy on people breaking the rules when everyone else follows them.

PS - Bringing up the macroquest people on blue as your excuse as to why you should be unbanned for boxing = lame. That wasn't my decision and honey...It will NOT get you anywhere with me. So you can all quit that road of discussion now [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Tassador]

very good points indeed. we definately dont need mike tyson and floyd "money" mayweather on this server.

keep it to one window or comp silly

[bamzal]

ahh text walllll

[SamwiseRed]

cant believe people still defending boxers. perma ban and move on. whoever said boxing was a gateway drug was correct. if someone is boxing, knowing its permabannble, pretty sure they doin something else too.

[Cast v27.5]

Boxing isnt a gateway drug its the hardest drug on the market. Macroquest doesnt hold a candle to the unfairness of having a buffbot in pvp. So again why is this even a question? Does someone still not understand?

[Dullah]

Again, since it keeps getting taken in 100 different directions, the issue is whether they can start removing IP exemptions rather than banning accounts.

I'm not against the rule, just the punishment because its a major reason our already small population is almost nonexistent.

If this was blue where they have 1000 active players with as many as 800 online at a time, yes it would be important to strongly enforce the boxing policy.

This is not blue, we don't have those numbers, nor can we afford to lose a few dozen people. I bet theres more banned accounts for abusing IP exemption right now, than active players online tonight at primetime. Sad, considering removal of their exemption would be punishment enough, without affecting the overall health of the server.

Really though, it just doesn't matter. Highs arent breaking 100 on red, lows are down to less than what you'd find in karnors castle on blue. Servers dead. Its ok though, stick to your guns! Make sure you scan those 30 people online right now, I bet at least 3 of them are boxing.[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]