MOTD: Consider rolling red

[kazroth]

Originally Posted by Danyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Allow me to explain then.

EQ PvP literally consists of people who do shit like this:

"Hmmm I'm level 60 and this guy is level 20. He provides absolutely no challenge to me. I don't know him. Never met him. Not even in a rival guild. Fuck this I wanna kill him. Oh he's coming back to the camp to loot corpse? Not even saying a word? Hahah fuck that I'm gonna sit here and kil lhim every time he comes back."

Or

"Just another bored day being a top raid geared 70..Think I'm gonna go to Crushbone and use my pet to one shot every level 10 player there over and over until they either rage quit or, if they even have one, log on their mains and start shit with me."

Or any other variation of "how much of an asshat can I make myself look like today?"

Now you tell me how the above isn't being a total douchebag or show that the player has the attitude and mindset of a 5 year old, and tell me how any of the above provides that player with a challenge.

EQ PvP would be fun if people conducted themselves maturely and like adults and actually fought for the sake of challenge or even for something like a guild rivalry (Akin to using the Arena in Blue EQ) but they don't. Instead you get 85-90% if not more of the playerbase that acts like the above examples.

Inb4 "lol he mad" because that just proves my point.

I challenge you to insert 'WoW PvP on a red server' wherever you typed EQ PvP, and come up with any differences between the game or some members of the community.

The cool thing about that is when the little guy is getting camped and calls in his guild for reinforcements, then a real zone war starts happening, then even more guilds get called in. After an hour or two, you have all the large PvP'ing guilds on the server fighting over a zone because that little dude was getting camped.

I don't see how there is a difference.

[kazroth]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Gang warfare is a group of 6 max-level people rolling around griefing everyone they find.

Again, how is this any different from what happens/ed in WoW?

[kazroth]

Removing the PvP from the world and putting it in its own little box helps alleviate the little man's problem, but you immediately destroy any sense of community when you do so.

I prefer the community and to deal with gang warfare than to click on 'queue' so I can face the next team with zero social commitment.

EDIT: Read Envino's latest post as to how I belong to a dying breed, however.

[Danyelle]

Originally Posted by kazroth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I challenge you to insert 'WoW PvP on a red server' wherever you typed EQ PvP, and come up with any differences between the game or some members of the community.

The cool thing about that is when the little guy is getting camped and calls in his guild for reinforcements, then a real zone war starts happening, then even more guilds get called in. After an hour or two, you have all the large PvP'ing guilds on the server fighting over a zone because that little dude was getting camped.

I don't see how there is a difference.

Granted, I'm sure it'd be the same and I never really implied there was a difference. In case you got me mixed up with someone, I'm not one of the people defending WoW PvP in this thread. Though that point is moot at any rate. Just because you see the other kids on the playground punching the nerd in the back of the head does that mean you should too?

[Swish]

WoW PvP was great, particularly Warsong Gulch. Having alliance scum log over just to tell me that shamans are OP, I shouldn't be able to run a WSG flag in ghost wolf because paladins don't have anything similar... used to love all that [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

P99 Red is always going to attract criticism from Blue players, and Red players are always going to be on the defensive about their server because if we're honest it has yet to be a true success. Who do you blame for that?

I have yet to experience it but if I was corpse camped I wouldn't last long on Red, therefore maybe it isn't for me...if they can knock 10 new players off the server a week with that behaviour I really do hope they aren't among the protesters if, in the future, Rogean decides he's got other plans for the server due to a low population. The number online is enough of a bad advertisement, I hope the Red community can encourage new players to join, stay and even enjoy the server <3

[kazroth]

Originally Posted by Danyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Granted, I'm sure it'd be the same and I never really implied there was a difference. In case you got me mixed up with someone, I'm not one of the people defending WoW PvP in this thread. Though that point is moot at any rate. Just because you see the other kids on the playground punching the nerd in the back of the head does that mean you should too?

Then why are you coming in here and hating on one side of the argument when your opinions apply to both? Meanie! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Stealin Dragons]

you'd prefer to shit on the little guys and hope they have friends to call in. Gotcha


Even tho, that supposedly "helps the community" even tho if the "little guy" has no friends to call in he just quits. I guess it's all perspective.

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by kazroth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, how is this any different from what happens/ed in WoW?

This didn't happen even in vanilla - i'd get ganked or corpse camped often even in vanilla, but it was usually individuals or there just happened to be 2 alliance in the same place I was trying to level.

It seems like EQ PvP is just far more geared for this because many classes simply cannot hold their own in pvp - so it creates worse individual ganking and gang warfare ganking.

Maybe that's preferable - I haven't argued that, I just find it more douchey to corpse camp someone just because you and your friend = 2 and he = 1. It was far more frequent to 1v1 in world pvp on WoW *in my experience*.

[kazroth]

Originally Posted by Stealin Dragons [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you'd prefer to shit on the little guys and hope they have friends to call in. Gotcha


Even tho, that supposedly "helps the community" even tho if the "little guy" has no friends to call in he just quits. I guess it's all perspective.

Whoa, whoa... I never shit on the little guy. I preach for fair play and sportsmanlike conduct.

I'm saying when the little guy does get shit on, if he is part of the community, he can do something about it. That's team building at its finest. And community is what truly makes an MMO great.

[kazroth]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This didn't happen even in vanilla - i'd get ganked or corpse camped often even in vanilla, but it was usually individuals or there just happened to be 2 alliance in the same place I was trying to level.

So the same thing happened to you in WoW that happens in EQ, but you enjoyed it more?

I dunno man, I'm not really sure what your argument is here. Getting ganked is getting ganked, no matter the numbers.