YT isn't the solution

[heartbrand]

The fact Sirken posted that shows how out of touch the staff is with the playerbase and why the pop will continue to dwindle until only Nihilum is left playing this shit server, grinding out pixels.

[loserofgame]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lazor i think i agree with you 100%. people raced to 50 completely forgetting that just getting to 50 is a HUGE part of the game. you are suppose to enjoy the grind to get there. its like picking up a book, and skipping to the last chapter, then complaining the book sucks.

the biggest two problems to the server are not dumb shit like global ooc or yt. the biggest two are 1) players griefing other players. all your guys' dumb fucking training, exploiting, BC and CC, and other grief kills the population MUCH faster than any staff decisions have. and 2) another huge problem is that it seems a lot of you aren't here to play EQ. most of you are here to play Call of Duty with EQ toons.


until those two things change, nothing the staff can do will help the pop.

Sorry, but no.

There aren't simply two 'biggest problems to the server'. There are a great deal of issues, many of which have been outlined very clearly and eloquently by posters from all sides, and players of all guilds, which is unfortunately lost in this ocean of flames and tears.

But to respond to your points:

1) Players griefing other players is a classic, and iconic, aspect of EQ PvP. I agree that exploiting is wrong. But training, bind camping, corpse camping, and other griefs are the entire challenge(and a lot of the intrigue) of playing on a Red server.

2) People who want to play Call of Duty are already playing Call of Duty. People are here to play EQ PvP, which many players are unable to do considering active PvP is heavily restricted by staff.

People who want to enjoy the regular, unimpeded journey to 50 should play on Blue instead, and by and large do. Some of those players also play on Red, which is fine. But it should not be expected that players should conduct themselves on Red as they would on Blue.

Grief does not kill a population that has come here to grief and be griefed, which anyone who has ever played on a live EQ PvP server should absolutely expect.

Rules do.

[Lazortag]

Are you crazy? Of COURSE griefing hurts the population. You don't think a shit ton of people left when they were killed at the bank with all their plat (because guards wouldn't assist in the first few weeks)? You don't think anyone said "fuck it" when they were killed without provocation on the boat, or 10 zones away from their bind point, etc.? Sure griefing was a part of classic but it wasn't nearly as common as it is on red99.

Is griefing the only problem? Of course not. But if you think you're helping the population every time you corpse camp someone, you're nuts.

[loserofgame]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you crazy? Of COURSE griefing hurts the population. You don't think a shit ton of people left when they were killed at the bank with all their plat (because guards wouldn't assist in the first few weeks)? You don't think anyone said "fuck it" when they were killed without provocation on the boat, or 10 zones away from their bind point, etc.? Sure griefing was a part of classic but it wasn't nearly as common as it is on red99.

Is griefing the only problem? Of course not. But if you think you're helping the population every time you corpse camp someone, you're delusional.

Those aren't the type of players who would stick it out in the long run anyway.

If you signed up for a Red server without the expectation to get your ass beat down, camped, and trained many times for no particular reason, you should not have come. From what I've heard, Blue is a wonderful server. Why not play there instead? People came here for a challenge, for murderous, bloodthirsty wars.

For the record, I don't corpse camp people. I share an anti-pk mentality like yourself, and, also like yourself, I'm at a loss as to where to go because on a server where excess griefing isn't permitted, there's really no role for an anti-pk player to play.

I'll agree that there are more people with a 'griefer' mentality on Red99 than on live servers. All the more reason to allow it, imo. Might actually give people incentive to kill people. Right now, it's barely worth the mana unless you're fighting for the right to camp pixels that steadily lose value as more and more of them are produced for less and less players.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by loserofgame [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry, but no.

There aren't simply two 'biggest problems to the server'. There are a great deal of issues, many of which have been outlined very clearly and eloquently by posters from all sides, and players of all guilds, which is unfortunately lost in this ocean of flames and tears.

and of all those issues, regardless of how many there are, there will still be a top 2 (as long as 2 or more issues exist).

Originally Posted by loserofgame [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But to respond to your points:
1) Players griefing other players is a classic, and iconic, aspect of EQ PvP. I agree that exploiting is wrong. But training, bind camping, corpse camping, and other griefs are the entire challenge(and a lot of the intrigue) of playing on a Red server.
2) People who want to play Call of Duty are already playing Call of Duty. People are here to play EQ PvP, which many players are unable to do considering active PvP is heavily restricted by staff.

1)training is not pvp. training is what players resort to when they are talentless scrubs at pvp. BCing and CCing naked toons for no reason, omg you are so uber man. if you dont think griefing players hurts the server population, then you are part of the problem. sorry to burst your bubble.
2) restricted how? you cant use mobs? we force you to actually use your class's abilities? grow up. a lot of these kids just want to run around fragging each other. "R99 = P99 + PvP" thats it. its not as overly complicated as you try to make it.

Originally Posted by loserofgame [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People who want to enjoy the regular, unimpeded journey to 50 should play on Blue instead, and by and large do. Some of those players also play on Red, which is fine. But it should not be expected that players should conduct themselves on Red as they would on Blue.

unimpeded is not the same as constantly trained and griefed. some players are not built for red, thats true. but if u expect a solo guildless player to stay here while guilds of kids are griefing them for no reason, then you are sadly mistaken.

Originally Posted by loserofgame [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Grief does not kill a population that has come here to grief and be griefed, which anyone who has ever played on a live EQ PvP server should absolutely expect.
Rules do.

see thats the problem. YOU came here to grief and be griefed, so YOU assumed thats why everyone is here. sadly you are once again mistaken. a lot of people came here to play EQ with PvP turned on. not to just race to 50 and grief everyone that crosses your path until they quit the server.


PS- it sounds a lot like you played on Sullon. if thats the experience you're looking for, then i am sorry, because this server will not ever meet your expectations. we have absolutely no desire to emulate sullon zek. if you can not be happy with out a sullon zek based server, then i strongly suggest you go and start one and make it the very best server it can be.

<3
Sirks

[loserofgame]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and of all those issues, regardless of how many there are, there will still be a top 2 (as long as 2 or more issues exist).


1)training is not pvp. training is what players resort to when they are talentless scrubs at pvp. BCing and CCing naked toons for no reason, omg you are so uber man. if you dont think griefing players hurts the server population, then you are part of the problem. sorry to burst your bubble.
2) restricted how? you cant use mobs? we force you to actually use your class's abilities? grow up. a lot of these kids just want to run around fragging each other. "R99 = P99 + PvP" thats it. its not as overly complicated as you try to make it.


unimpeded is not the same as constantly trained and griefed. some players are not built for red, thats true. but if u expect a solo guildless player to stay here while guilds of kids are griefing them for no reason, then you are sadly mistaken.


see thats the problem. YOU came here to grief and be griefed, so YOU assumed thats why everyone is here. sadly you are once again mistaken. a lot of people came here to play EQ with PvP turned on. not to just race to 50 and grief everyone that crosses your path until they quit the server.


PS- it sounds a lot like you played on Sullon. if thats the experience you're looking for, then i am sorry, because this server will not ever meet your expectations. we have absolutely no desire to emulate sullon zek. if you can not be happy with out a sullon zek based server, then i strongly suggest you go and start one and make it the very best server it can be.

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Sirks

No.

For starters, I played on Rallos.

Secondly, I did not come here to grief. I did, however, come here expecting to be griefed, and until you started to intervene, I was enjoying the challenge of trying to level despite the obstacles in my way, helping others, and fighting griefers. You have taken that away from me, and that is unfortunate.

I am a solo guildless player. You are again mistaken.

Please do not ask me to grow up when you cannot have a rational discussion with me. As a Guide, and a public representative of the staff, you should act more mature yourself.

I am not uber. Neither, unfortunately, are you. Please accept the criticism and move on. I didn't expect you to change, I asked you to listen. You will do neither.

I'll still play, despite the fact that you, not the people arguing with you, are in a position to change things for the better.

Edit: P.S. Thank you for the heart. I hope with all that excess love, you can learn to conduct public relations better.

[Rydar]

So so sooooo glad the staff understand what a true EQ pvp server should be.

Quick everyone get slathar and heartbrand on pre emptive suicide watch before they read Sirkens post! RED ALERT!

[bamzal]

I want to experience Rallos Zek as it was in 1999

[Rydar]

ok, then log in

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Rydar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So so sooooo glad the staff understand what a true EQ pvp server should be.

Quick everyone get slathar and heartbrand on pre emptive suicide watch before they read Sirkens post! RED ALERT!

Sipping a long island on the beach in Miami at the moment by my hotel. Thx