Game Mechanics: Game breaking raid issue: Sirran the Lunatic

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://samanna.net/3u/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1688&start=0

That's from 2006 and all of this may have changed then.

The Flamesofvalhalla link does not work for me.

Charm was broken for a while in EQ, but as of Kunark/Velious Sirran is not charmable and does death touch.

The Everlore link and comments prove this best.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's from 2006 and all of this may have changed then.

The Flamesofvalhalla link does not work for me.

Charm was broken for a while in EQ, but as of Kunark Sirran is not charmable and does death touch.

The Everlore link and comments prove this best.

You aren't too quick on the uptake. f-i-r-e-s-o-f-h-e-a-v-e-n.org and you have to cut and paste the remainder of the link after you type out the above URL without all the dashes.

The Tashia of Xegony guide was last updated March 2001, post Velious.
The Chango Malavida guide, posted on the Yuku link is dated July 2002, post Luclin.
The three guides linked from the Chango guide are broken.
The Word document guide is listed as having a date of July 2002, post Luclin. (Mentioned nothing of the lack of ability to charm Sirran or Sirran being capable of death touch).

The Everlore link is from March-July 2001, post Velious.


None of the guides you have provided as evidence are Kunark era, none of the guides you have provided have stated Sirran is uncharmable.

You are making a fallacious argument that the absence of evidence is evidence of absence.

[uygi]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Keymaster should also death touch if he does not already I've confirmed.

If you can't do the slightest amount of work to find out how P99 works, I don't see why we should listen to you. Go up to Sky and find out for yourself.

[bizzum]

Nirgon already confirmed with the clue crew that death touch needs to be there. This sounds like a job for the Hardly Brothers.

[Nirgon]

The FoH link is also based on someone's memory.

If Sirran was charmable ever, at all, it was fixed very quickly.

Sirran and Keymaster should both DT. I'll work on some screenies.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The FoH link is also based on someone's memory.

If Sirran was charmable ever, at all, it was fixed very quickly.

Sirran and Keymaster should both DT. I'll work on some screenies.

I already edited that post that it was after bard charm issues came about, and the relevance of that post is likely not that great to show his overall charmability. It does however indicate that Sirran was indeed charmable and not flagged uncharmable.

Again, you haven't posted any evidence that states Sirran is uncharmable. You keep arguing that because no one in your sources said Sirran was charmed, that it was not possible.

[Nirgon]

The Keymaster was charmable at one point and did death touch.

Sirran may have been charmable during a time that something was broken, but indeed never intended and would have been quickly fixed.

I'll find you that info and hopefully a death touch screen shot.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The FoH link is also based on someone's memory.

If Sirran was charmable ever, at all, it was fixed very quickly.

Sirran and Keymaster should both DT. I'll work on some screenies.

Velious also came out the same year as Kunark.

Pt?

[Nirgon]

You get scored a pt. I'm finding info that he and the key master were charmable for a very brief people of time and would even DT other mobs, kid you not.

However, there's no reason for Sirran not to be death touching as indicated in the raid guide I posted.

[Arteker]

we used sirran back in kunark to kill inte akerra.
the dynamic for sirran was about the same of using frozen moses in velious. wich was when they tweek charm