Don't do LSD or the police will kill you.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by stonez138 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cop's today taze first and ask questions later. I can link countless articles where cops have tazed the blind, pregnant women, elderly people, the mentally handicapped etc etc.

When it wasn't warranted? Please do link.

And then please compare these "countless" incidents with the number of times these things don't happen, and then when we have things in perspective we can decide who is being sensationalist and who is being realistic.

Originally Posted by stonez138 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They've become extremly lazy and taze people who could easily be restrained all the time.

"All the time" is that sensationalist propoganda shit again.

Yeah, cops sometimes make the wrong choice. And since there are a lot of fucking cops who need to make a lot of fucking choices, the absolute number seems big.

How do you want to fix this? Do you want to pay more taxes so that cops have to go through a more intensive screening program so none of the "power hungry" sorts end up in uniform? Do you want to pay more taxes so that cops get more training?

Originally Posted by stonez138 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You've been drinking the Kool-aid. Try blaming the politicians and media that have set the stage for our current "war on drugs" which is little more then an excuse to keep young black men incarcerated and keep white people afraid of minorities. And before you right wing assholes deny this fact just look at the sentencing guidlines for crack as compared to coke. It's obvious to anyone and everyone that alcohol prohibition was a massive failure and bad policy so why can't people see theres little or no difference with our currrent drug policy?

The war on drugs has some issues for sure. Big issues. But it isn't like prohibition any more a war on gang violence is like a war on Grand Theft Auto games.

Do you really think the country would be a better place to live, overall, if there was not a single law attempting to control the use of what are currently controlled substances?

[Tarathiel]

Originally Posted by stonez138 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wow seriously? You're the first person I've ever heard say that. LSD is one of the most powerful illicit drugs. A tiny ammount gets you extremly fucked up for hours on end. I always found shrooms to be nothing but pleasant, aside from minor nausea. Of course I never ate more then a gram or two probably a different experience if you munch down a quarter ounce or something.

On a side not have you ever seen the old video where some British soldiers are given lsd to see if the can function and one of them ends up climbing a tree or something. Pretty funny stuff.

the thing about acid, is if you get it from a reliable source you know exactly what you are taking and can plan accordingly. with shrooms there are literally thousands of different strains all with varying quantities of psylocibin and the other goodies that get you fucked up. ive eaten a 7 grams that gave me little more than a body fry and a good head trip and 2 grams that made the walls of my bedroom melt, it seems like its just luck of the draw lol.

[Rkahor]

Originally Posted by Tarathiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

personally acid was always easy to control, not like shrooming where one minute everything is sunshine and rainbows and the next minute satan himself is talking to you in your bathroom mirror

This is basically my experience as well. I've done both tons of times. Acid's always felt cleaner and way more controllable. But honestly there's tons of "fake"/substitute drugs on the market these days, DOI and DOB are the main culprit for fake acid and are both amphetamine's. But you can put whatever you want on a blotter sheet and say its LSD. I always test all my shit that I get cause I'm not trying to take bath salts or any other "experimental"/new chemical that makes you fucked up.

The officers definitely used excessive force if you taze someone 14 times when they are already in handcuffs. There's no way they couldn't have realized there's definitely something wrong with this kid and hes not acting like a normal person would. They should be trained to see when someone is off their rocker and obviously doesn't even realize what they are doing. I can tell just by looking into someones eyes and their body language if they are fucked up on acid/molly/coke/prescriptions pills or whatever drug of choice for the night.

The kid shares the blame though, he knew he was taking drugs and whatever comes after is his responsibility. If you can't handle your shit or took the time and research to know what may happen it's no one elses fault but your own. Unless I trust my source or have my test kit on me I'm not gonna buy random drugs from a festival hopping hippy that swears his shit is the fucking bomb. People are in the drug business to make money, and if you can make or obtain "fake" drugs way cheaper and give you similar effects, you know they are going to. The whole situation is fucked up in general.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The war on drugs has some issues for sure. Big issues. But it isn't like prohibition any more a war on gang violence is like a war on Grand Theft Auto games.

Do you really think the country would be a better place to live, overall, if there was not a single law attempting to control the use of what are currently controlled substances?

Yes. Drugs are legal in the Netherlands and they experience lower rates of use and abuse of all drugs than in the US. Education and treatment are far more effective at limiting drug use and having responsible drug use. Abolition and jail only exacerbate the problem. Even if the costs of enforcement and incarceration were 0, education and treatment would be more effective as they have a better chance at reducing irresponsible drug use. Instead we're spending tens (hundreds?) of billions on the war on drugs every single year.

For another example, check out the story of Portugal, where every drug was decriminalized in 2001. Not only did use decline, but deaths due to drugs (overdoses and HIV) were cut in half.

http://www.alternet.org/story/151635..._happened_next

Nice analogy between gangs and GTA. So alcohol is a simulation of an actual drug like GTA is a simulation of actual crime? You do realize alcohol is a real thing, and not just something Dwarves drink for fun? Alcohol is far more dangerous to the user and people around him than many illegal drugs.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Rkahor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is basically my experience as well. I've done both tons of times. Acid's always felt cleaner and way more controllable. But honestly there's tons of "fake"/substitute drugs on the market these days, DOI and DOB are the main culprit for fake acid and are both amphetamine's. But you can put whatever you want on a blotter sheet and say its LSD. I always test all my shit that I get cause I'm not trying to take bath salts or any other "experimental"/new chemical that makes you fucked up.

Good point. One more benefit of drug legalization is better quality. Prohibition makes it more likely that you take a substance that you're not prepared for. When you buy a can of coke, you can be sure it's not going to be filled with coffee, orange juice, or scat.

[Greegon]

nothin cool about LSD pals. I had a friend who did it way too much and he is now literally insane.. you just cannot approach the guy as it makes you uncomfortable to talk w/ him. After (he was already) like this he got puddled @ a concert and had to be sent to the ER because he rubbed his neck really hard for hours and to this day with tell you about how there is a 'metaphysical' snake living in his spine...Enough is simply not known about the brain and how this shit can affect it & your perception of reality... Honestly I felt better mixing benzos+painkillers+alcohol than taking hallucinos which is so so incredibly dumb.

And also, nothing ever made me trip hard as salvia. Was literally in fucking tears, living a 'lifetime' of torment. WOW.

[Orruar]

I think one mistake that nearly everyone makes is the idea that laws are the only means of controlling human action. We're conditioned so that when we identify a problem with the human condition, such as drug addiction, we immediately look to government to solve it. It's good to want to solve problems, but government is no panacea cure for all troubles. Laws have much less influence on the actions of people than we would like to think. People form their own opinions of right and wrong and act accordingly. The only thing the law brings to the table is adding the threat of violence into the equation. Everything that follows is simply fruit of the poisonous tree (the Biblical definition, not the common law evidentiary meaning).

[Greegon]

^^ laws good for some shit though.. take drunk driving for example. Without the harsh buttfu*king penalty of DUI, i'm sure more retards would drive around drunk killing mums and pas

[Rkahor]

Originally Posted by Greegon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

nothin cool about LSD pals. I had a friend who did it way too much and he is now literally insane..

I understand that any drug isn't honestly cool. But did you follow this pal around his whole life or knew wwhat he was ingesting every time he did it? I'm gonna have to say you probably don't. This seems to just be the generally consensus for people who aren't informed. ANY drug can trigger some deep down depression/schizophrenia/or whatever else problem you already had that was just waiting to wake up.

I've taken LSD at least 50 times in my life and I'm walking living proof there isn't anything wrong with my head(opinions may vary lol) but I'm definitely still sane and able to function like a normal person. Each person reacts differently to any substance, drug or not.

Originally Posted by Greegon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And also, nothing ever made me trip hard as salvia. Was literally in fucking tears, living a 'lifetime' of torment. WOW.

I'll agree that salvia is up there for making you trip like a mother fucker. But my experience was great. I thought I was in space and circling the orbit and just could not stop laughing.

If you want a REAL damn trip try some DMT. I've never been so fucked up in my life and I was walking around and talking to people. Had a fucking blast.

Know your own body and limitations and shit like getting tazed 14 times wont happen.

[Greegon]

ah lol I did salvia 30+ times it was great until the last couple times I did it.. swear it made me trip harder and harder the more i did it. Last time i did it ever was when i melted into the floor, everything was blurry, was in tears !