Monk Epic Fist... is it REALLY that good?

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Nagash [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Genuine question as my monk is only level 21: can't you equip the monk epic on your hand slot so you can click the 40% haste effect while still using weapons or is the 40% haste a proc? I believed it was a song effect ala bard.

Nagash/Petitpas

Equipping the epic in your glove slot changes your bare fists ratio to 9/16.

You can then right click the epic to get a 40% spell/song haste that lasts a few ticks.

[Handull]

from first hand experience, you can't click the monk epic til 50. robe you can click at least at 47, tho that isn't the min, just when i got my RotWF

edit, sorry, got epic at 47, robe was at 40? that sounds right.

[Vicatin]

Anyone have any parse info on tstaff vs epic fist + SoS or AC? Kind of curious how much difference there is. I am assuming a significant increase.

[Ryba]

no parse info here but t staff plus epic haste is better than any droppable 1h combo with epic haste, including h2h. 2hb skill cap is higher and dmg bonus is higher than with h2h. That means much higher guaranteed minimums with higher hit ratios. The epic is for song haste, not primarily for weapon replacement, unless you have crap.

not only that, if you are "epically-fisting" a raid target that gets turned unexpectedly, you will be shattered by ripostes before you can turn auto attack off.

2hb is the tits, from 20-60. Unless you are trying to roleplay or something, in which case you have other problems to focus on

[Vicatin]

Originally Posted by Ryba [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

no parse info here but t staff plus epic haste is better than any droppable 1h combo with epic haste, including h2h. 2hb skill cap is higher and dmg bonus is higher than with h2h. That means much higher guaranteed minimums with higher hit ratios. The epic is for song haste, not primarily for weapon replacement, unless you have crap.

not only that, if you are "epically-fisting" a raid target that gets turned unexpectedly, you will be shattered by ripostes before you can turn auto attack off.

2hb is the tits, from 20-60. Unless you are trying to roleplay or something, in which case you have other problems to focus on

I think you'll be in the minority here on this one. I agree with ripostes, but that can be avoided and isnt really part of the dmg debate. I have been told my numerous epic monks that fist + ac/sos is superior dmg to tstaff, but by how much is the question.

[Ryba]

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from eq dpm calculator and borne out by personal experience. also, ripostes should be considered, because they happen. nobody is good enough to not get riposted, so why pretend they don't happen when you're theorizing.

eq dpm is probably not a perfect match with p1999's weapon damage algorithms, but the t staff still comes out a full 300dpm or 5dps ahead of fist/sos. Even if they got it slightly wrong, you are looking at setups that are at least equivalent. For my money, I will take the +stun and better defensive setup.

[Vicatin]

Nice, appreciate the graph. Good stuff, exactly what i am looking for.

Should have epic in the next few weeks. Will test this out myself and report back here when done [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Versus]

Make a graph for Epic fist + wu's fist of mastery vs. Bostaff, stat.

[Treats]

Originally Posted by Ryba [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

from eq dpm calculator and borne out by personal experience. also, ripostes should be considered, because they happen. nobody is good enough to not get riposted, so why pretend they don't happen when you're theorizing.

eq dpm is probably not a perfect match with p1999's weapon damage algorithms, but the t staff still comes out a full 300dpm or 5dps ahead of fist/sos. Even if they got it slightly wrong, you are looking at setups that are at least equivalent. For my money, I will take the +stun and better defensive setup.

Ripostes are a low factor in measuring damage per second. When you are fighting a mob from behind he cannot block/dodge/riposte/etc (this is why you fight from behind when you can.)

EQ DPM does NOT use the correct damage bonus, those numbers are faulty. It probably also has a formula for Triple Attack.

Epic Fist/SoS is better than the Tranquil Staff, if you have proof otherwise post your logs from P99.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Treats [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

EQ DPM does NOT use the correct damage bonus, those numbers are faulty. It probably also has a formula for Triple Attack.

I think you can hand edit it though. At 60 you'll get a 17 point damage bonus from the tstaff and 11 for the epic fist in the primary hand.