AA in p99

[Lexical]

Some facts about AA:

1. around 40% of participants drop out before the end of the first year
2. only about 20% show long term recovery.
3. AA preaches abstinence not true rehabilitation which would being able to enjoy a drink now and then.

Some sauce: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effecti...lics_Anonymous

There have been many other successful programs that teach people to drink responsibly and have nothing to do with high powers or any of that spiritual garbage. It teaches willpower and has a high percentage of people completing the program. AA hides behind the numbers it drops with the attitude of "oh they didn't want to get better." The entirety of it is flawed from the get go as it doesn't instill self empowerment but misplaces the addiction which is not healthy for future brain development.

[Lexical]

For clarity on number 2.

Only 20% of the people remaining exhibit long term recovery.

[Hailto]

Hasn't it been proven with at least some scientific basis that if you are a true alcoholic there is no rehabilitation in the sense than you can begin to drink occasionally again with no problem? This is only what i have heard others say mind you, i don't know about the validity of it it.

[Lexical]

Originally Posted by Hailto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is going too far.

I will accept a public announcement from you that states that you find me tolerable.

[Lexical]

Originally Posted by Hailto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hasn't it been proven with at least some scientific basis that if you are a true alcoholic there is no rehabilitation in the sense than you can begin to drink occasionally again with no problem? This is only what i have heard others say mind you, i don't know about the validity of it it.

There is a lot of theories on the matter since Psychology is still a young science. There have been many successful programs in Europe, Central America and North America that actually slowly wane alcoholics off of it and then facilitate a healthier behavior that assumes the problem stems from grabbing a drink when reacting to something being social awkwardness, stress, etc. and then cognitively develop other mediums for dealing with such psychological situations.

[Autotune]

How's it anonymous when your name is over your character?

[Humerox]

well...Anne Treisman did just win the National Medal of Science...

[ForeverLost]

MM is a better program.

http://www.moderation.org/

[gotrocks]

its pretty much been proven that true alcoholics cant ever drink "socially" (ie, taking a couple drinks every now and then).

There have been a ton of studies on this. If you're an alcoholic, you're always an alcoholic. You can't condition someone to not be one because its brain chemistry. The programs that are claiming to show people how to drink responsibly are bullshit - that may work for a year, maybe 2 or 3 or 4, but eventually that person is going to go back to being an alcoholic.

doesnt matter what program you're in, long term recovery from alcoholism is extremely rare and difficult. I'd say 20% is probably too high, its more like 10%. Pretty sure thats the highest recovery rate of any program long term. Other programs boast having over 50%, but thats generally after a year at most, and it falls off rapidly after that to around 2-3% if that.

I've done a ton of reading on this for both sides. I've got a really good book you should check out if you're interested in the subject, il try to find the title.

[Enygma]

Is this the guy that bought minyin?