Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just stop responding to this guy. Literally knows nothing about high end stuff and slow resistant mobs.

I already said Shamans won't work on slow immune mobs. You need to provide which camps this group wants to do that has those slow immune mobs.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And I am not saying Clerics are bad either. People are simply overestimating them for the content this group will be doing.

You simply do not know what content this hypothetical group will be doing because OP did not specify it, remember? See your own quote below:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OP did not specify any preconditions, so they are moot.

Therefore, you simply cannot make objective claims about whether other posters are "overestimating" the Cleric class. In order to do so you would need to agree upon the content the hypothetical group would be attempting and at what level, so that you could make relevant class-to-class comparisons between those classes for that content at the levels they would be tackling that content.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

These preconditions are designed to restrict the conversation to try and make certain classes favorable for specific scenarios. This creates a situation where you inevitably compare apples to oranges. Someone will fervently try to win the argument by creating a scenario where their favorite class is the best, and then use that to claim another class can never be superior. The reality is you level characters to get to level 60. You need to think about what a level 60 character is doing. A conversation about "efficient groups" is not very useful in the lower levels. The content is so easy you can use just about any 4 man group, other than perhaps all rogues.

Your statement "You need to think about what a level 60 character is doing" is exactly NO more relevant or correct to this discussion than the statement "You need to think about what a level 1-59 character is doing".

The OP did NOT specify that this discussion is about level 60's, and it could be argued that by insisting the conversation be focused solely (or even mostly) around the capabilities of classes at level 60 with full spellbooks that you are simply specifying a precondition designed to restrict the conversation to try and make a certain class (Shaman) favorable for specific scenarios (which the OP did not specify any, remember?) and that you are simply fervently trying to win the argument by creating a scenario where your favorite class is the best, and then using that to claim other classes can never be superior.

[Gloomlord]

What exactly are they doing that makes the extra tankiness of this hypothetical Shaman more important? This seems pretty contrived.

Most things this group will be doing is not going to require a Shaman.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What exactly are they doing that makes the extra tankiness of this hypothetical Shaman more important? This seems pretty contrived.

Most things this group will be doing is not going to require a Shaman.

The tankiness is an extra feature that the Cleric does not bring. It allows the group to do content that the Enchanters could not. WW Dragons are an example here, because they have AoE dispell, which is bad for pets.

The Mage is only offering DPS, so you would pick an Enchanter instead for the DPS slots in this group.

This discussion is about efficiency, not requirements. You don't need 2x Enchanters DPSing to do the content this group would do, and you don't need the CH from Clerics.

[Toxigen]

401 pages, we made it

and the answer is still enc / enc / enc / cleric

[Ripqozko]

We have made it to 400, see you all at 500

[Gloomlord]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The tankiness is an extra feature that the Cleric does not bring. It allows the group to do content that the Enchanters could not. WW Dragons are an example here, because they have AoE dispell, which is bad for pets.

The Mage is only offering DPS, so you would pick an Enchanter instead for the DPS slots in this group.

This discussion is about efficiency, not requirements. You don't need 2x Enchanters DPSing to do the content this group would do, and you don't need the CH from Clerics.

So you pick the most contrived circumstances in order to prove Shaman is better than Mage? Really?

This group is going to go to most likely Sebilis, KC, Velks and the like. And you're bringing up the WW Dragons?

[Gloomlord]

Also: answer Cyxthryth's post. He just poked a hole in your shoddy reasoning, and you're ignoring him.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you pick the most contrived circumstances in order to prove Shaman is better than Mage? Really?

This group is going to go to most likely Sebilis, KC, Velks and the like. And you're bringing up the WW Dragons?

When talking about efficiency you should also be thinking about how many camps you can do. The more camps you can do, the better the composition is. Shamans enable more camps in this composition, a Mage does not.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The tankiness is an extra feature that the Cleric does not bring. It allows the group to do content that the Enchanters could not. WW Dragons are an example here, because they have AoE dispell, which is bad for pets.

The Mage is only offering DPS, so you would pick an Enchanter instead for the DPS slots in this group.

This discussion is about efficiency, not requirements. You don't need 2x Enchanters DPSing to do the content this group would do, and you don't need the CH from Clerics.

The enc animations along with a mage pet could easily kill ww dragons. This is a silly argument. WW dragons are child’s play.