Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe you can explain to us why you think clerics synergize well with enchanters, since you're not interested in my explanation.

No, it's your turn to actually explain your position as to why you think Clerics are better in this four man group scenario. I did so with Shamans already:

https://project1999.com/forums/showp...postcount=4843

Simply repeating bullet points is not an explaination. We already got those bullet points from other posters, who also did not expand upon them. Do you even have your own opinion on this topic?

[bcbrown]

You agree that enchanters and clerics synergize well, but you reject all my points about how they synergize well.

Unless you explain why you think they synergize well I don't know what else I can tell you.

Enchanter charm pets plus cleric complete healing is a really good combo.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You agree that enchanters and clerics synergize well, but you reject all my points about how they synergize well.

Unless you explain why you think they synergize well I don't know what else I can tell you.

Enchanter charm pets plus cleric complete healing is a really good combo.

This is just a dodge.

I explained the Shaman/Enchanter synnergy here: https://project1999.com/forums/showp...postcount=4843

This supports my position for picking a Shaman.

You need to explain how the Cleric/Enchanter synnergy is more benefitial than the Shaman/Enchanter synnergy in this four man group scenario.

Thus far all you have done is repeat bullet points. If you think that is all that's needed to win, I can just compress my points into bullets and post them back. Then we would be at an impasse.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then we would be at an impasse.

We've been at an impasse for 489 pages over almost two years, that's not going to change.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We've been at an impasse for 489 pages over almost two years, that's not going to change.

As I predicted, Bcbrown is unable to explain his position as to why Clerics would help this group more than Shamans. He is repeating bullet points, without being able to expand on any of them.

[bcbrown]

The biggest thing a pair of enchanters need is survivability. They've got plenty of DPS with a pair of hasted dual-wielding charm pets. A cleric provides the best survivability - best hp buffs, best heals, stuns.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The biggest thing a pair of enchanters need is survivability. They've got plenty of DPS with a pair of hasted dual-wielding charm pets. A cleric provides the best survivability - best hp buffs, best heals, stuns.

I've saved Enchanters from Charm breaks as a Shaman too.

You need to explain why the hp buffs, heals, and stuns are offsetting what a Shaman is doing.

Simply saying Clerics have the best heals does not actually mean your group will work worse without them when compared to a Shaman. Shamans are the best at Stamina buffs, but this by itself is not a point for Shamans.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You need to explain why the hp buffs, heals, and stuns are offsetting what a Shaman is doing.

You "need" to provide a(ny) example of a camp that "needs" a Shaman to substantiate your claim that you can name multiple camps that "need" a Shaman:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can name multiple camps that need a Shaman.

You also "need" to provide evidence that supports your tens/dozens/hundreds/thousands of posts in this thread in which you claimed that Shaman can/does improve group's a DPS (more than a non-epic Mage can/does) by root rotting multiple mobs parallel to the group.


I'm not sure if you've forgotten about these things that you claimed - if so, feel free to refresh your memory at any time by re-reading as the post history is clear and visible to all.
You're simply not going to get away with making baseless, unsubstantiated claims. It's really not a good look for you.

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've saved Enchanters from Charm breaks as a Shaman too.

You need to explain why the hp buffs, heals, and stuns are offsetting what a Shaman is doing.

Simply saying Clerics have the best heals does not actually mean your group will work worse without them when compared to a Shaman. Shamans are the best at Stamina buffs, but this by itself is not a point for Shamans.

Charmed mobs already have a bazillion HP

It's about heal efficiency

Cleric > Shaman

End of discussion

Accept your defeat. It's self evident to everyone else.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Charmed mobs already have a bazillion HP

It's about heal efficiency

Cleric > Shaman

End of discussion

Accept your defeat. It's self evident to everyone else.

Shamans can Torpor tank, so the pet doesn't have to tank. This means you don't need to CH the tanking pet. What else do you have?