Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Gloomlord]

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What is the truth? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Damn, you actually went to the trouble of getting his contradictory quotes.

Too bad that still won't be enough...

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not sure how stating a fact is gaslighting. But when you are trolling, the things you say don't have to make sense.

Which facts are true?

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Assuming your group plays correctly, you will DPS the same way every time, the same as if you were solo.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am very confident it won't change in a group scenario.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

in a group setting, there are too many variables out of your control that can skew the data

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once you add in outside variables, that changes the DPS equation NOT because of what the class can do, but because of what other players are doing.

What definition of "trolling" are you using?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Damn, you actually went to the trouble of getting his contradictory quotes.

Too bad that still won't be enough...

Lol it is pretty amazing that you think the quotes are contradictory. People can literally read them. This is gaslighting.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol it is pretty amazing that you think the quotes are contradictory. People can literally read them. This is gaslighting.

So couldn't you simply advise which of the following 4 - direct - Quotes are true for the sake of civil discussion?

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Assuming your group plays correctly, you will DPS the same way every time, the same as if you were solo.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am very confident it won't change in a group scenario.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

in a group setting, there are too many variables out of your control that can skew the data

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once you add in outside variables, that changes the DPS equation NOT because of what the class can do, but because of what other players are doing.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So couldn't you simply advise which of the following 4 - direct - Quotes are true for the sake of civil discussion?

They are all true. Luckily you are not very good at gaslighting, because there are no contradictions if you read them.

The first quote is making an assumption the group plays correctly, not a guarantee.

For the second quote, if you can do 50 DPS to a mob solo, you can do 50 DPS to a mob grouped. The stats of the mob do not change.

For the third quote, as I stated a few posts ago, you can get data that shows a Shaman out-DPSing a Mage, because the Mage isn't playing well, and the final quote is another variation of the same idea. Group DPS is harder to quantify when comparing class DPS, because there are more factors involved that are out of the classes control. If the Mage pet keeps dying due to bad pulls, that doesn't mean a Mage does bad DPS.

[Gloomlord]

Alright, I'll humour you. Don't know why, since I'm giving you exactly what you want.

If variables exist in a group, then this means data for solo DPS is irrelevant.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Alright, I'll humour you. Don't know why, since I'm giving you exactly what you want.

If variables exist in a group, then this means data for solo DPS is irrelevant.

No, it doesn't mean the solo DPS data is irrelevant.

Let me ask you a question. If a Mage does 20 DPS in a group because their pet keeps dying, and a Shaman does 50 DPS because they are DoTing, does that mean a Mage does less DPS than a Shaman?

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, it doesn't mean the solo DPS data is irrelevant.

Let me ask you a question. If a Mage does 20 DPS in a group because their pet keeps dying, and a Shaman does 50 DPS because they are DoTing, does that mean a Mage does less DPS than a Shaman?

Let me ask you a question. Does the cause NEGATE the effect/result?

[Gloomlord]

I hope the people who were polite see you for what you truly are now. I hope I've vindicated myself to all the people who said I went too far.

You people defended a lying sociopath. This isn't even stupidity at this point. He knows full well this is blatantly false.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They are all true. Luckily you are not very good at gaslighting, because there are no contradictions if you read them.

The first quote is making an assumption the group plays correctly, not a guarantee.

If you can do 50 DPS to a mob solo, you can do 50 DPS to a mob grouped. The stats of the mob do not change.

As I stated a few posts ago, you can get data that shows a Shaman out-DPSing a Mage, because the Mage isn't playing well, and the final quote is another variation of the same idea.

No player can play "perfectly" because even a single human being adds variance - I assume you are not cheating / using scripts, correct? This is a simple fact which cannot be refuted: you WILL NOT time every spell-cast perfectly, sit for perfect ticks, etc. over an extended gameplay session.
If you refute this I happily await the evidence you will provide to prove you can play perfectly. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
If you did not mean "perfectly" when you said "correctly" please provide a detailed explanation of what you mean by "play(ing) correctly" for civil discussion.

If "you can get data that shows a Shaman out-DPSing a Mage", then it is irrelevant that the reason is that the Mage is not playing well. The irrefutable fact would simply be that, during that particular comparison/example, the Shaman out-DPSed the Mage.

I am not sure how you think this somehow means the following - direct - Quotes are not contradictory.

Can you explain in detail - for the sake of civil discussion - how the following 4 - direct - Quotes are not contradictory?

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Assuming your group plays correctly, you will DPS the same way every time, the same as if you were solo.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am very confident it won't change in a group scenario.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

in a group setting, there are too many variables out of your control that can skew the data

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once you add in outside variables, that changes the DPS equation NOT because of what the class can do, but because of what other players are doing.