The Sleeper to be awoken tonight in Rampage's final raid.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This also boggles my mind...

Taken/Rampage eat a suspension for killing their train, while off tanking Dracoliche. They get the suspension together because they killed the mob together.

Forsaken eats 5 suspensions, for killing or training a variety of mobs stalled and such. All mobs were killed with Asgard. Yet only Forsaken gets the suspension??

What's the reasoning for suspending 1 alliance on one petition and only 1 guild of an alliance on 5 others?

And the 5-day suspension when 80% of the targets are 7-day respawns, 5% are 5-day respawns and 15% are 3-day respawns... Seems like a troll of a suspension. Why suspend for 5 days of raiding when the vast majority of targets won't spawn, and when the reason you're being suspended in the first place was exclusively your behavior on 7-day targets.

I see Sirken also deleted all posts in the petition thread and locked it. That seems constructive...

Should just make all repops so people spread out IMO.

I was at most of the raids that those "Infractions" occurred. There was literally 1 legit issue of the 5.

Klandicar- Nalken pulled him with 2 Mallet charges and said so in TS. Some of our pullers did not hear this. I tagged it off the train with 3 charges and brought it to the tunnel and setup to bleed the fear. Osirous tagged it with one Mallet charge and ran to the raid for when the fear went off and I either flopped or died. Bled the fear and died before I could flop. Klandicar turned back towards Nalken because Osirous didn't hear that it needed more than 2 mallet charges. It turned around and warped through the wall. So we told our raid to run out to the front of the tunnel and kill it. It was an honest mistake by one tagger. It was iffy and could be seen as a violation.

However, we did not stay inside ToV, stall it and then zone out. WE were already buffed and prepping for Sontalak. We zoned out immediately. So the wording on this is a little odd.

Hoshkar- BDA kited Hoshkar for over 1 minute ping ponging back and forth to their raid. They then wiped and were recovering. We had an issue on the pull while they were dragging corpses. Hoshkar AE'd their raid but did not train them. They attacked Hoshkars pet but we pulled Hoshkar back away and he never touched their raid. No clue how we got hit with training BDA here.

Lady M- Pull went west and we immediately dropped it and let her start resetting for well over a minute. Rampage/Taken made no attempt to pull it. She got back to 4-way after this time and we repulled her after dropping the pull. Don't really understand the problem here. When you drop a pull and give the other guild an opportunity to pull and they don't. How long are you supposed to wait ?

Tormax- Same as Lady M. Pull warped and went towards EW. We dropped it and the other guild had an opportunity to pull and didn't. Again... How long are you supposed to wait ? No one has said anything clearly here. 1 minute ? 2 minutes ? No clue here. We witnessed Taken and Rampage train Dain to zone in 2 times and train multiple people the last Dain. They dropped it and picked it up 3 times before killing it while killing other people with trains. They still pulled and killed Dain without the other guild having an opportunity to pull.

Ikatiar- We started a Lady N pull to zone in on a Repop. BDA 45 seconds into this pull pulls Ikatiar after we train up and engages it in the front Hallway. Their pull cross aggroed the pull we already had started before them. Their pullers did not clear their aggro and didn't /q. The train came back to them and wiped both guilds. Who is at fault here ? The guild that didn't clear their pull aggro while pulling after we did or us ? They literally trained us with the same pull. Yet we are in trouble for it.

[Legday]

Originally Posted by Gimp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just explained to you why we hadn't been doing Tunare in our normal schedule, or did that go over your head?

As far as target choices, youd have to ask him. I just go where I'm needed.

And since that repop Tunare hasn't died. You act like it keeps depopping and repopping on sundays during the cycle. Nope it's been up for 2 months worth of Saturday's for you guys to go and put it back on a cushy Saturday timer.

Also nobody had fun with you guys in PoG, but not because of anything you did or didn't do. It's just impossible to have fun in that zone.

[Joyelle]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was at most of the raids that those "Infractions" occurred. There was literally 1 legit issue of the 5.

Klandicar- Nalken pulled him with 2 Mallet charges and said so in TS. Some of our pullers did not hear this. I tagged it off the train with 3 charges and brought it to the tunnel and setup to bleed the fear. Osirous tagged it with one Mallet charge and ran to the raid for when the fear went off and I either flopped or died. Bled the fear and died before I could flop. Klandicar turned back towards Nalken because Osirous didn't hear that it needed more than 2 mallet charges. It turned around and warped through the wall. So we told our raid to run out to the front of the tunnel and kill it. It was an honest mistake by one tagger. It was iffy and could be seen as a violation.

However, we did not stay inside ToV, stall it and then zone out. WE were already buffed and prepping for Sontalak. We zoned out immediately. So the wording on this is a little odd.

Hoshkar- BDA kited Hoshkar for over 1 minute ping ponging back and forth to their raid. They then wiped and were recovering. We had an issue on the pull while they were dragging corpses. Hoshkar AE'd their raid but did not train them. They attacked Hoshkars pet but we pulled Hoshkar back away and he never touched their raid. No clue how we got hit with training BDA here.

Lady M- Pull went west and we immediately dropped it and let her start resetting for well over a minute. Rampage/Taken made no attempt to pull it. She got back to 4-way after this time and we repulled her after dropping the pull. Don't really understand the problem here. When you drop a pull and give the other guild an opportunity to pull and they don't. How long are you supposed to wait ?

Tormax- Same as Lady M. Pull warped and went towards EW. We dropped it and the other guild had an opportunity to pull and didn't. Again... How long are you supposed to wait ? No one has said anything clearly here. 1 minute ? 2 minutes ? No clue here. We witnessed Taken and Rampage train Dain to zone in 2 times and train multiple people the last Dain. They dropped it and picked it up 3 times before killing it while killing other people with trains. They still pulled and killed Dain without the other guild having an opportunity to pull.

Ikatiar- We started a Lady N pull to zone in on a Repop. BDA 45 seconds into this pull pulls Ikatiar after we train up and engages it in the front Hallway. Their pull cross aggroed the pull we already had started before them. Their pullers did not clear their aggro and didn't /q. The train came back to them and wiped both guilds. Who is at fault here ? The guild that didn't clear their pull aggro while pulling after we did or us ? They literally trained us with the same pull. Yet we are in trouble for it.

Lazie why was Asgard not suspended with you guys for these infractions?

[Tankdan]

Originally Posted by Legday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And since that repop Tunare hasn't died. You act like it keeps depopping and repopping on sundays during the cycle. Nope it's been up for 2 months worth of Saturday's for you guys to go and put it back on a cushy Saturday timer.

Also nobody had fun with you guys in PoG, but not because of anything you did or didn't do. It's just impossible to have fun in that zone.

Hi!

I think you and Lazie forgot about Ring Wars being a thing now? We'd do up to 4 a week, which eats up a lot of time, usually on Fridays, sometimes Saturdays.

Gl on your ring wars and Tunare guild firsts if you haven't gotten them yet.

[colicab]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lady M- Pull went west and we immediately dropped it and let her start resetting for well over a minute. Rampage/Taken made no attempt to pull it. She got back to 4-way after this time and we repulled her after dropping the pull. Don't really understand the problem here. When you drop a pull and give the other guild an opportunity to pull and they don't. How long are you supposed to wait ?

Tormax- Same as Lady M. Pull warped and went towards EW. We dropped it and the other guild had an opportunity to pull and didn't. Again... How long are you supposed to wait ? No one has said anything clearly here. 1 minute ? 2 minutes ? No clue here. We witnessed Taken and Rampage train Dain to zone in 2 times and train multiple people the last Dain. They dropped it and picked it up 3 times before killing it while killing other people with trains. They still pulled and killed Dain without the other guild having an opportunity to pull.

Recovering someone else's botched pull would be pretty difficult near impossible for anyone. You know as well as anyone especially on Tormax, FTEer gets cothed in hits mallet and clicks yes on TL box. Can't really do that in the middle of a huge train of giants most of which are sowed.

This constant "warped" excuse is lame.

[Skew]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was at most of the raids that those "Infractions" occurred. There was literally 1 legit issue of the 5.

Klandicar- Nalken pulled him with 2 Mallet charges and said so in TS. Some of our pullers did not hear this. I tagged it off the train with 3 charges and brought it to the tunnel and setup to bleed the fear. Osirous tagged it with one Mallet charge and ran to the raid for when the fear went off and I either flopped or died. Bled the fear and died before I could flop. Klandicar turned back towards Nalken because Osirous didn't hear that it needed more than 2 mallet charges. It turned around and warped through the wall. So we told our raid to run out to the front of the tunnel and kill it. It was an honest mistake by one tagger. It was iffy and could be seen as a violation.

However, we did not stay inside ToV, stall it and then zone out. WE were already buffed and prepping for Sontalak. We zoned out immediately. So the wording on this is a little odd.

Hoshkar- BDA kited Hoshkar for over 1 minute ping ponging back and forth to their raid. They then wiped and were recovering. We had an issue on the pull while they were dragging corpses. Hoshkar AE'd their raid but did not train them. They attacked Hoshkars pet but we pulled Hoshkar back away and he never touched their raid. No clue how we got hit with training BDA here.

Lady M- Pull went west and we immediately dropped it and let her start resetting for well over a minute. Rampage/Taken made no attempt to pull it. She got back to 4-way after this time and we repulled her after dropping the pull. Don't really understand the problem here. When you drop a pull and give the other guild an opportunity to pull and they don't. How long are you supposed to wait ?

Tormax- Same as Lady M. Pull warped and went towards EW. We dropped it and the other guild had an opportunity to pull and didn't. Again... How long are you supposed to wait ? No one has said anything clearly here. 1 minute ? 2 minutes ? No clue here. We witnessed Taken and Rampage train Dain to zone in 2 times and train multiple people the last Dain. They dropped it and picked it up 3 times before killing it while killing other people with trains. They still pulled and killed Dain without the other guild having an opportunity to pull.

Ikatiar- We started a Lady N pull to zone in on a Repop. BDA 45 seconds into this pull pulls Ikatiar after we train up and engages it in the front Hallway. Their pull cross aggroed the pull we already had started before them. Their pullers did not clear their aggro and didn't /q. The train came back to them and wiped both guilds. Who is at fault here ? The guild that didn't clear their pull aggro while pulling after we did or us ? They literally trained us with the same pull. Yet we are in trouble for it.

One of the worst things about Rampage core bailing is the vacuum it may leave in ToV. Rampage pullers at least knew their stuff.
Having Chest and his merry band of retards in ToV would be an absolute cluster fuck.
BDA , Please stay in VP training mobs into Hosh lair because "thats how you do it"

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was at most of the raids that those "Infractions" occurred. There was literally 1 legit issue of the 5.

Klandicar- Nalken pulled him with 2 Mallet charges and said so in TS. Some of our pullers did not hear this. I tagged it off the train with 3 charges and brought it to the tunnel and setup to bleed the fear. Osirous tagged it with one Mallet charge and ran to the raid for when the fear went off and I either flopped or died. Bled the fear and died before I could flop. Klandicar turned back towards Nalken because Osirous didn't hear that it needed more than 2 mallet charges. It turned around and warped through the wall. So we told our raid to run out to the front of the tunnel and kill it. It was an honest mistake by one tagger. It was iffy and could be seen as a violation.

However, we did not stay inside ToV, stall it and then zone out. WE were already buffed and prepping for Sontalak. We zoned out immediately. So the wording on this is a little odd.

Hoshkar- BDA kited Hoshkar for over 1 minute ping ponging back and forth to their raid. They then wiped and were recovering. We had an issue on the pull while they were dragging corpses. Hoshkar AE'd their raid but did not train them. They attacked Hoshkars pet but we pulled Hoshkar back away and he never touched their raid. No clue how we got hit with training BDA here.

Lady M- Pull went west and we immediately dropped it and let her start resetting for well over a minute. Rampage/Taken made no attempt to pull it. She got back to 4-way after this time and we repulled her after dropping the pull. Don't really understand the problem here. When you drop a pull and give the other guild an opportunity to pull and they don't. How long are you supposed to wait ?

Tormax- Same as Lady M. Pull warped and went towards EW. We dropped it and the other guild had an opportunity to pull and didn't. Again... How long are you supposed to wait ? No one has said anything clearly here. 1 minute ? 2 minutes ? No clue here. We witnessed Taken and Rampage train Dain to zone in 2 times and train multiple people the last Dain. They dropped it and picked it up 3 times before killing it while killing other people with trains. They still pulled and killed Dain without the other guild having an opportunity to pull.

Ikatiar- We started a Lady N pull to zone in on a Repop. BDA 45 seconds into this pull pulls Ikatiar after we train up and engages it in the front Hallway. Their pull cross aggroed the pull we already had started before them. Their pullers did not clear their aggro and didn't /q. The train came back to them and wiped both guilds. Who is at fault here ? The guild that didn't clear their pull aggro while pulling after we did or us ? They literally trained us with the same pull. Yet we are in trouble for it.

Did Asgard receive loot from all these encounters?

I know they were on the encounter logs for all as well as taking part in the planning, tracking and pulling of those mobs. Even updated them as 'kills' on their own Asgard guild thread.

Detoxx never responded to me when I asked him this question in the raid dicussion forum post that is now deleted and locked for no reason. Nemce also asked a reasonable question as well which is also deleted.

If you shared all the responsibilities AND the spoils of those kills with your allied partners why does it make any sense for them to not also be suspended along side of you too?

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Joyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lazie why was Asgard not suspended with you guys for these infractions?

Because the majority of those infractions as I just pointed out should not be punished ? I can see one and a long stretch at maybe 2. At least give a clear definition of how long you have to wait after you drop a pull. Because it seems giving 1 minute or longer isn't enough when it is us. However, the last Dain showed you could ping pong him back and forth from his spawn 2 or 3 times and train multiple people and it's legitimately ok to pull and kill the mob without punishment. Why is Dracoliche your only infraction ? We can name basically the same infractions for you guys that were that close.

Tracker FTE on Yelinak- Rampage pretends to be raiding alone and neither guild gets in trouble.

Trains by Rampage at Zlandicar- Multiple at these and no Zlandicar suspensions happened even with fraps presented.

Rampage and Taken- Zoned out a Lady N and trained it onto Detoxx when he had FTE on Vulak on Dracomir. No punishment. You guys literally zoned a mob you had killed down to 60% and trained a puller with it. You then pulled and failed on Vulak immediately after this.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We witnessed Taken and Rampage train Dain to zone in 2 times and train multiple people the last Dain. They dropped it and picked it up 3 times before killing it while killing other people with trains. They still pulled and killed Dain without the other guild having an opportunity to pull.

We alrdy conceded the next Dain for this error. Unlike other guilds who must utilize dat PetitionQuest to score wins.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tracker FTE on Yelinak- Rampage pretends to be raiding alone and neither guild gets in trouble.

Taken not only did not participate in any part of the encounter but also completely exited the scene.

We in addition to that received no loot from Yelinak. The ST key + head he dropped did not count towards Rampage on our loot rotation ( you guys should know how allied loot works by now so this is significant to not count against your rotation )

We essentially never were at that Yelinak for all extensive purposes - however Asgard was certainly at all those encounters you listed AND shared loot.

Correct me if I am wrong however, did Asgard get loot from any of those encounters?

They added them as kills to their own guild thread - not Forsakens