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08-23-2013, 12:05 PM
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#432
08-23-2013, 12:08 PM
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Europa, I would take a very close look at your leadership and how they are representing you right now. They are on the brink of having many of the guilds on this rotation go out of their way to ensure you can't just waltz up and take whatever you want. I'm sure many of the guilds would band together to clear Sky in the AM to ensure the mobs they want are respawned for their main raid. I don't speak for any of the guilds here of course, but I am just putting myself in the shoes of an Europa member and I know *I* would be concerned about Europa's leadership inadvertently turning a bunch of guilds against Europa on this.
Developing your guild into a raid guild and learning to work together is a tremendous step forward, and I applaud and respect you for wanting to take on harder targets in upper Sky. But with that evolution into a raid guild also comes the additional responsibility of diplomatically dealing with the other raid guilds. And you can go in one of two directions on that... working with us or rubbing us the wrong way. The choice is yours... but you may want to compel your leadership that the path of least resistance is to identify what day you want to field a Sky raid, identifying which guild has that day on the rotation, and contacting that guild's leadership directly to work something out. Trust me... it'll go a lot easier than coming in here and demanding all the guilds reach out to you to work something out and expect them to cater to your whims, and when they don't, you go up anyway and shit all over the guild you perceived would let you use them as a doormat. Do you see the difference in the approaches, or is this maybe a cultural difference thing?
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#434
08-23-2013, 12:16 PM
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#435
08-23-2013, 12:37 PM
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Had posted in the now RNF thread :/
It sucks the Sky rotation has become so cluttered. Speaking from the times when I was leading the FC sky raids and running into issues getting full keys (Noble cycle on your day means no island 2 clears), Fearstalker reached out to me and offered FC to clear 1-5 for keys on their thursday. This was an awesome gesture and I didn't even approach them asking for it. It's too bad Europa didn't discuss their desires to attempt 6-8 with Taken beforehand-I'm sure they would have been willing to work something out. Honestly I see these actions as a direct result of IB stepping on FC's day and there being no consequences. There was no sky-rotation protection force to come save our day and ruin IB's (that we had for months prior) and therefore IB was able to start before we could. Even though Europa already had a sky time, Europa's actions mirrored IB's , they posted in the thread twice about their desires, then said fuck it and decided to clear.
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#436
08-23-2013, 12:41 PM
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Except guilds did try to work with them. Even Taken tried to salvage then situation as it was going down. The issue is Europa not having a clear voice. If Boilon is the official rep then he should address this without trying to twist the facts. FE reached out and I already provided proof of BDA with a verbal agreement that wasn't fulfilled on Europa's side.
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#437
08-23-2013, 12:45 PM
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>They have a sky day. Europa is crying that they're not allowed to kill any islands higher than spirocs? >they demonstrated their ability WIPE on NERFED mobs. (The only ones who won in sky yesterday were the mobs. they got to live longer because nobody in Europa could kill them) Also, what does this have to do with the douchbaggery shown by Europa when they raid sky on someone else's night, or when they expected other guilds to contact them? Children act like this when their parents tell them no. kid: Hey mom, can I have a soda? parent: No(because it'll keep you up all night)! kid: Fine I'll just STEAL IT. parent: time for a whipping kid: ow,ow,oh god ow, ow, ow (sounds like europa needs a spanking) | |||
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#438
08-23-2013, 06:22 PM
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Dear community of p99
We would like to clarify our decision on why we as a guild decided to raid PoSky on last Thursday. In the process, we would like to also address some of the accusations thrown our way. First of all, understand that on this matter, all of the Europa council speaks as one, so attacks against individual officers are moot. Also, we coordinate our way forward with our memberbase so understand that this was a guild decision. It is much to our regret that things have come to this as we consider ourselves to be good people with a code of conduct we always to stick to - no matter how dirty things can get on p99. As most of our members live in the European timezone our prime raid time starts at 19:00 CET (13:00 EST). We cannot start earlier, because we are a casual guild, all of our members have a life, with jobs and families. With repops in Sky at 8 hours for the lower isles, you do the math: An "AM" slot is no option for us, if the demand from the guild following us is that they have repops at their prime time. As for the actual situation: Europa had exactly one slot in sky, for isles 1-5, on a 14-day basis, sharing them with Divinity. However, we progressed over the last months and no one was willing to share Sky on a bi-weekly basis with us. Proof? Sky rotation thread here. Although this is the single occassion where we would have time zone advantage, we delayed the decision for 1-2 months to try and find an agreement within the guilds on P99. We have approached BDA on the matter, and no, we did not state we WILL take their day, we tried to explain to them that we COULD do it, and that we were nevertheless trying to find an agreement with them. The reaction was a) the "generous" offer to raid early enough so they are not affected, and when we declined that, b) the pre-emptive clearing of the lower isles with an early task force to make sure Europa could not get a shot at mobs. This while we didn't even plan to go up there on that day. After some more weeks here on the sky rotation thread without results, we had a long internal discussion how to proceed. We concluded that our only option to raid upper isles is to do it on a day of our choice, and that informing anyone of a planned raid would most likely lead to the same destructive approach that BDA is doing on fridays. That is why we did not contact Taken beforehand. Finally, the day we chose has nothing to do with the guild who is on the rotation on that day, it is simply the day that suits us best. With the one exception that we did not want to interfere with Divinity because they have been the only guild that was kind enough to let us have a shot at Sky (within our time limitations). Please understand that the refusal of sharing any acceptable raid time with Europa (by all guilds on the rotation) has left us with the option of doing Sky when we want to, or skipping Sky content. Ask yourself: What would you have done in our situation? Personal insults, threats, attempts at sabotage or intimidation are not getting anyone anywhere. Are we sorry? We are genuinely sorry things came to this, but we had no other choice. Will we apologize? No, because we did everything we could to sort this out peacefully but no one cared. Will we negotiate? Absolutely. We will gladly accept a 14 day rotation for PoSky. Signed by the <Europa> officers Asterid, Dagorn, Hallyguk, Powtle, Sebekkha and Sherrypie.
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