Are you kidding me?

[Troubled]

Originally Posted by TheDuck [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

should come to red, mobs are up for days we are super casual < Tempest > is the biggest and only guild on red99.

there is no real pvp, just no lines for items, and no pvp schedual

Looks like a mess just witnessing tonight. Was on for 15 minutes and it was an LnS situation because of trains from the opposing side that go unregulated.

[Pezy]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Outside of earthquakes how many "racing" targets have gone to a guild outside A/A? Anon got 1 statue FTE with an EXTREMELY lucky bow proc from a mile away. I think LITERALLY every other target since the birth of new race rules has gone to A/A. Correct me if I'm wrong? I may have missed one or two. But even if I did the point still stands. It's obviously not "leveling the playing field" like it was intended to.

CSG got an Ikatiar FTE this week, but were unable to even get him engaged before their hour passed and Awakened sniped it from them.

I agree though, the only thing that can come even close to fixing the raid scene are weekly quakes. Remove all 7 day boss respawn timers, have like a 24 hour window every Sunday or whatever for the quake to happen, keep the current FTE rules I guess to make things slightly less chaotic...

Seems pretty simple, no? Who would have an issue with this? Everyone gets mobs, much less burnout and socking, seems like a win to me.

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by Troubled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Does Chest have a solution or is he going against the grain just because someone else suggested it and it's a conspiracy? Put up or shut up.

I'm not sure exactly which solution Chest prefers you'd have to ask him but almost all of us that raid in this game know of and agree on some solutions. The issue is the staff can't/won't make them happen. Repops are HANDS DOWN the most fun I have playing this game. If they happened anywhere NEAR the amount we were told they would happen I don't think we'd be having all these discussions about how fucked everything is all the time. Not everyone agrees on the exact details of how often/when they should happen but I haven't met 1 person that thinks more earthquakes is a bad idea. Make earthquakes automatically happen once a week with some kind of variance and I guarantee you 90% of the issues are gone.

The second solution is cutting variance drastically. Again not everyone agrees on exactly how much but almost everyone agrees (Except Sirken for some reason) it should be less than 16 hours. It's absolutely absurd that people are staring at spawnpoints for up to 16 hrs straight multiple times a week just to get a CHANCE at getting FTE on some dragon. I personally think windows should be somewhere around 4 hours. As it currently stands almost nobody in BDA is willing/able to facetrack/bindsight targets for 16 hr windows. Judging by how few people from other guilds outside A/A are showing up for the races I can safely assume that the same is the case for all the other guilds too. I can almost guarantee the vast majority of A/A members are totally unwilling to do it too. They just ride on the coat tails of their hardcore supernerd members that do it for them. What do you think the chances are that more ppl would show up and be willing to race if they knew it was a max of 4 hours instead of 16? I'd say pretty fucking high. I know I'd show up a lot more. We also need a max racers per guild rule really badly and a ban on Crown of Rile despite whatever the fuck Aftermath says.

Third possible solution is a rotation but I really don't like this idea much myself. There's too many guilds that would want a spot on the rotation for everything. People would try to weasel multiple rotation slots for guilds belonging to the same alliance. A/A would almost guaranteed form alt guilds to clog up the rotation further. It'd require a lot of rules that people will bitch endlessly about just to make it work decently. I can already hear the sound of Swish typing up a shitpost "Something something BDA something rotation something something cats.gif"

[Swish]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Third possible solution is a rotation but I really don't like this idea much myself. There's too many guilds that would want a spot on the rotation for everything. People would try to weasel multiple rotation slots for guilds belonging to the same alliance. A/A would almost guaranteed form alt guilds to clog up the rotation further. It'd require a lot of rules that people will bitch endlessly about just to make it work decently. I can already hear the sound of Swish typing up a shitpost "Something something BDA something rotation something something cats.gif"

Rotations are bad because Swish herpa derp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually rotations won't work because you guys fucked up the last one with your pixel grab attempts, shutting out small guilds, forcing them to disband... and making Omni/AG/Europa all work together because that was the only way they could level the playing field in terms of the numbers you and Taken were bringing to Trakanon/Sev/etc.

Happy to keep reminding you and the rest of the community of that. Dance around the facts all you like, they're still facts. You guys shit on your own doorstep and now want another rotation... that's just lol.

So I take it right now BDA is a "casual guild" by default because despite being able they're not willing to compete? Shall we pretend you guys are just doing planar clears and the occasional HoT raid because that's all you're capable of?

[Rararboker]

Originally Posted by Mistle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fellow AM member comes in to try to rescue Maner's horrible performance. It's okay, Rarar. He'll be all right.

It's okay guy. He is doing fine. You are the one making statements that make no sense. I'm trying to help you. Help me help you.

[Mistle]

Swish, agree or disagree: a spot in a rotation should only be held by a raid force capable of beating the target.

As for what BDA wants, I have never heard it ask for a rotation now. BDA would work with any agreement the players make if it is fair. Racing, rotation, lockouts whatever. What BDA no longer has the patience for is sitting a dozen people for FTE and more for tracking for sixteen hours where one second distraction means all that time was wasted, over and over. Its neither fair nor sane to ask members to do this for pixels, especially for the smallest of the five raiding groups. If that is what Sirken thinks is reasonable effort for elf pixels then the best option is simy not to play until someone with for of a clue becomes GM. Over a hundred nearly two hundred man-hours for a single mob? The amount a normal person works in an entire month? Only Sirken and the drooling neckbeards of AM could think that is even remotely reasonable.

As for the white knight here, the important thing is that YOU believe it. Maybe Maner will sleep with you once you prove your love, right? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Mistle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Swish, agree or disagree: a spot in a rotation should only be held by a raid force capable of beating the target.

As for what BDA wants, I have never heard it ask for a rotation now. BDA would work with any agreement the players make if it is fair. Racing, rotation, lockouts whatever. What BDA no longer has the patience for is sitting a dozen people for FTE and more for tracking for sixteen hours where one second distraction means all that time was wasted, over and over. Its neither fair nor sane to ask members to do this for pixels, especially for the smallest of the five raiding groups. If that is what Sirken thinks is reasonable effort for elf pixels then the best option is simy not to play until someone with for of a clue becomes GM. Over a hundred nearly two hundred man-hours for a single mob? The amount a normal person works in an entire month? Only Sirken and the drooling neckbeards of AM could think that is even remotely reasonable.

As for the white knight here, the important thing is that YOU believe it. Maybe Maner will sleep with you once you prove your love, right? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While long variance and making life sacrifices for pixels is ridiculous, history shows us that even if the casual guilds work something out... within that a certain guild will probably tow the line for a while before thinking "actually, we can get more for ourselves now that this has been set up".

So in essence, give the dog a bone and it won't share for longer than necessary.

Of course the guild in question should be able to take down the target, but what the server has no consideration for is patience, to let these guilds learn encounters in order to beat them.

That's where Moonlight Crusaders and Supremacy met their end. BDA decide that casual guilds who can't already do the content aren't worth keeping on the rotation...and therefore you get a stale raid scene with the same old same old guilds (with their ex-MC/Supremacy apps), same old raid leaders getting the same old pixels.

What would be good for the longevity of the raid scene on blue is letting the leveling guilds who want to raid.... raid.

You sadly can't trust the top end of the casual guilds not to dick on smaller "true" casual guilds, and that's why a rotation won't work.

[Nirgon]

without GM enforcement, ya

Suggesting anything working here without enforcement here would be similar to saying "if you break the rules please remember to take a week off on your own because you deserve punishment, this applies to guilds too not just individuals"

[Redi]

gms only enforce forum chat

[Man0warr]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rotations are bad because Swish herpa derp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually rotations won't work because you guys fucked up the last one with your pixel grab attempts, shutting out small guilds, forcing them to disband... and making Omni/AG/Europa all work together because that was the only way they could level the playing field in terms of the numbers you and Taken were bringing to Trakanon/Sev/etc.

What the hell are you talking about? CSG was a thing way before the rotation ended. They formed so they could kill their rotation slots at all hours because individually they sometimes didn't have the numbers to kill it before the timer ran out and mobs went FFA for Class C to scoop them up.

No idea what you are talking about with Moonlight Crusaders/Supremacy either - everyone was allowed in the rotation. Even Lord Bob and Genocidal Tendencies were part of it until they decided they didn't want to actually wait in line like everyone else.