Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your desperation is pathetic. That was a thread about how a solo enchanter goes about getting rezzes.

In a 4 man group, you would just have the cleric with you at all times.

Nice try though, deathsstrawman.

Ah, so people can only have pocket clerics when they are solo Enchanters? Got it[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] /sarcasm

I am not sure why you think people can't have pocket clerics in other scenarios. It's a stretch.

[fortior]

The advice was for general use. You can hold the train with DA and let people gate out as well, which is better in HS. On a cleric, you could DA hold in a position close enough for dragging and recovering your own corpse.

This is one of the reasons why clr/enc rules so hard. With AE mez and multiple free DAs in your toolbox, you CAN actually recover from a massive train of mobs. It's the only class combination that can look a 20 mob train in the eyes and keep on trucking. But yeah you could have totally saved the group and looked like a hero, you just don't know how to play well, don't take it out on us lol

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by fortior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The advice was for general use. You can hold the train with DA and let people gate out as well, which is better in HS. On a cleric, you could DA hold in a position close enough for dragging and recovering your own corpse.

This is one of the reasons why clr/enc rules so hard. With AE mez and multiple free DAs in your toolbox, you CAN actually recover from a massive train of mobs. It's the only class combination that can look a 20 mob train in the eyes and keep on trucking. But yeah you could have totally saved the group and looked like a hero, you just don't know how to play well, don't take it out on us lol

I am not taking it out on you at all. You are simply claiming we could have DA trained it out in HS lol. Don't blame me for you giving people bad advise in that situation.

[fortior]

You could have DA held it and just capped out. Given a more optimized group setup, you could have held and recovered. This isn't just theory. I've done it with more dangerous mobs on melees using a DA idol. I've done it on a cleric. I've done it on a necromancer. I haven't done it on a shaman, but earring of the frozen skull is almost free to recharge and easier to use than a casted DA.

You don't HAVE to make clutch plays and save the day, but it's cool to do so, and it shows presence of mind. A DA earring recharges for less than a plat. You get 18 seconds to stop, look around, and figure out a plan--or to let your teammates gate out.

Instead, you all probably just panicked, froze up, and let the train kill you because that's what is 'supposed to happen' when 'bad pathing' occurs. Because you are playing P99 on what is essentially a very basic level.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by fortior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You could have DA held it and just capped out. Given a more optimized group setup, you could have held and recovered. This isn't just theory. I've done it with more dangerous mobs on melees using a DA idol. I've done it on a cleric. I've done it on a necromancer. I haven't done it on a shaman, but earring of the frozen skull is almost free to recharge and easier to use than a casted DA.

You don't HAVE to make clutch plays and save the day, but it's cool to do so, and it shows presence of mind. A DA earring recharges for less than a plat. You get 18 seconds to stop, look around, and figure out a plan--or to let your teammates gate out.

Instead, you all probably just panicked, froze up, and let the train kill you because that's what is 'supposed to happen' when 'bad pathing' occurs. Because you are playing P99 on what is essentially a very basic level.

I am not saying you are incorrect on the point about using DA to hold the train while other people gate. Nor am I saying I played perfectly in that group.

This thread isn't about whether or not I make mistakes while playing the game. It is a pretty silly argument to say "you made a mistake in a video game, therefore you know nothing about said video game". I am sorry you have to resort to such a poor argument when you can't provide anything more tangible.

[Ripqozko]

Easy 500 pages

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ah, so people can only have pocket clerics when they are solo Enchanters? Got it[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] /sarcasm

I am not sure why you think people can't have pocket clerics in other scenarios. It's a stretch.

OP didn’t specify having pocket chars. And even if he did, that just blows the discussion wide open. I’d still take the cleric for their superior utility over a shaman, and if I really needed malo I could just log a pocket mage for mala which is nearly just as good. A cleric/enc/enc/wiz group could PL a mage in no time.

You simply don’t understand group/raid dynamics if you think a shaman brings more to the table than a cleric does. Solo rank != duo rank != trio rank != 4 man rank != 5 man rank != 6 man rank != raid rank.

Edit: even your beloved monks have moved onto clerics when velious geared. Monk/cleric is just safer in most situations Vs relying on slow/torpor as higher tier mobs get harder to slow.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OP didn’t specify having pocket chars. And even if he did, that just blows the discussion wide open. I’d still take the cleric for their superior utility over a shaman, and if I really needed malo I could just log a pocket mage for mala which is nearly just as good. A cleric/enc/enc/wiz group could PL a mage in no time.

You simply don’t understand group/raid dynamics if you think a shaman brings more to the table than a cleric does. Solo rank != duo rank != trio rank != 4 man rank != 5 man rank != 6 man rank != raid rank.

OP didn't explicitly ban pocket characters either, so I am not sure what your point is.

I am not sure why you are bringing raid dynamics into a group of 4 people without a Warrior for a tank.

For group dynamics I understand them just fine. It is why Shaman/Enchanter/Monk is such a strong trio. I am sorry you simply don't understand why this is a strong trio.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OP didn't explicitly ban pocket characters either, so I am not sure what your point is.

I am not sure why you are bringing raid dynamics into a group of 4 people without a Warrior for a tank.

For group dynamics I understand them just fine. It is why Shaman/Enchanter/Monk is such a strong trio. I am sorry you simply don't understand why this is a strong trio.

I am not sure why you’re bringing in monks when this is a caster discussion.

It’s not a matter of “strong”. The thread is about “best”.

It’s really that simple

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not sure why you’re bringing in monks when this is a caster discussion.

It’s not a matter of “strong”. The thread is about “best”.

It’s really that simple

Agreed. So far, you haven't shown any evidence as to why the Cleric is bringing more than the Shaman in a group of four 60s without a Warrior, when OP didn't specify that you cannot have pocket Clerics for reses.