So how about that Zimmerman trial? - Page 45

Samoht · #**441** 07-10-2013, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Malice_Mizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It reminds me of the maid with Strauss-Kahn a few years back. Just because she may have been in this country illegally, lied at various times in her life, and/or came here under "dubious circumstances" does not mean that she is not protected by the law. The law is there to protect people, regardless of who you are.

do you know what credibility is? maid had none. king had none. trayvon had none.

Malice_Mizer · #**442** 07-10-2013, 01:50 PM

So, the standard of justice is that you have to be the most upstanding member of your community and have a squeaky clean history in order to be protected by the law. You can say, "It's not that polar!" but you're utilizing a selective double-standard that honestly does not make sense.

George Zimmerman has very, very little credibility (several run-ins with the law, assaulting a cop, literally hiding money from the court, restraining order filed against him, etc.), and he's the one actually on trial, bud. Trayvon is not on trial, despite what this thread has been derailed into positing. The victim of a crime is not on trial, and it is not their responsibility to prove anything. It's the burden of the state prosecutors to prove something-- but that doesn't mean that the victims of said crime have to prove they're worthy of justice or something...

Splorf22 · #**443** 07-10-2013, 01:57 PM

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and has absolutely nothing in common with the zimmerman case

lot of people trying to make this case something it's not

100% agree. So many people in this thread are projecting really hard.

Aaron · #**444** 07-10-2013, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Malice_Mizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The victim of a crime is not on trial, and it is not their responsibility to prove anything. It's the burden of the state prosecutors to prove something-- but that doesn't mean that the victims of said crime have to prove they're worthy of justice or something...

Your bias is showing. It's not been shown that Trayvon was the victim of a crime. Referring to him as such denotes the guilt of Zimmerman.

Aaron · #**445** 07-10-2013, 02:04 PM

Also, the last 3 posts are literally all I have read in this thread. I'm sure there are plenty of young lawyers on both sides of the issue speaking very knowledgeably on things they know little about.

Malice_Mizer · #**446** 07-10-2013, 02:05 PM

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Your bias is showing. It's not been shown that Trayvon was the victim of a crime. Referring to him as such denotes the guilt of Zimmerman.

Was Rodney King not the victim of a crime? Was the Strauss-Kahn maid not the victim of an alleged crime?

I was speaking generally about the nature of justice. Also, a "victim" only carries the connotation that they were harmed, injured, or killed as a result of a crime, accident, or other event or action. I'd say that covers Trayvon, who was shot in the chest by George Zimmerman. The question of this trial was whether or not Zimmerman was just in his deadly use of force, not whether or not he killed Trayvon.

Rhambuk · #**447** 07-10-2013, 02:08 PM

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The question of this trial was whether or not Zimmerman was just in his deadly use of force, not whether or not he killed Trayvon.

Just or not, definitely not imo, according to styg afaik it you simply have to say you feel your life was in danger and you can kill the other person.

What a great law in this day and age with so many calm level headed people in society...

Aaron · #**448** 07-10-2013, 02:08 PM

"Victim of a crime" does not denote "victim of accident or event."

lulz

Malice_Mizer · #**449** 07-10-2013, 02:11 PM

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"Victim of a crime" does not denote "victim of accident or event."

lulz

You apparently ignore everything you can't respond to with a mouth-breathing quip.

You're doing great!

Malice_Mizer · #**450** 07-10-2013, 02:13 PM

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"Victim of a crime" does not denote "victim of accident or event."

lulz

Also: the very fact that the state of Florida charged George Zimmerman with a crime surrounding this altercation automatically makes Trayvon a victim of a crime. The state has deemed it a crime. Just because you support the defense doesn't change anything about this case or the parties to it. Trayvon's relationship to this case is that of victim of crime, and George Zimmerman as that of offender.