Best solo melee class?

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I’ve found mana use is not very consistent on ranger. You’ll go plenty of fights basically spending none, but occasionally use spikes where you need to spend a bunch, and in these instances having enough remaining can be crucial. For example, messing about in Velks or KC you can churn, but a frenzied spider or knight of sathir can be a stretch..

Very true, and also speaks to Rip's point about different playstyles. One thing I like about ranger is how flexible and versatile it is with so many different ways to play it. And I've definitely had fights where a reserve of mana has been crucial, either for nuking down a tough mob quickly or for rooting and healing.

[Naethyn]

No reliable stun was always my pain point on ranger.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Sidenote: when I started chanter, almost everybody told me mana doesn't matter because you have high regen but even with +14 mana regen is always an issue. Different class with different struggles but a bigger pool is a bigger pool.

Oh for sure. Enchanters benefit from max mana, especially at lower levels. I am trying to increase max mana on my Enchanter too. At lower levels blue mobs have a smaller level gap so you get more resists, your tash isn't as good, and you get more fizzles due to lower skill levels.

The difference is Enchanters have a lot more INT/Mana on their items in general. It is easier to balance INT/Mana/CHA/HP. My Enchanter Magelo is on the high end of EC gear, and has 13/20 items with Mana and/or int.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Blerv
https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Green:Zalea

Snaggles has 5/20 items with mana/wis
Cecily has 9/20 items with mana/wis

So they have an average of 7/20 items with mana/wis. This is because melee gear in the velious era is less likely to have both melee stats and mana/wis, unless we are talking about a full bis/near full bis Ranger.

Prioritizing mana often comes at the cost of other stats for melee characters.

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Definitely agree. I've never considered using Tolan's gloves, they're just not worth it. Anyone advocating for them isn't worth listening to

Bcbrown is simply doing his trolling routine again. At least I hope so for his sake. I understand he is fairly new to P99 still, but he should really learn the basic concepts of clickies and how they save mana. With channeling being the way it is on P99, it is easy to channel through hits as well. I have a video showing how snare clickies generate agro, but Bcbrown often time ignores evidence unfortunately.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGMz5gpf_EY

[Snaggles]

If you have a bunch of arrows summoned you can always root and step back like 20 feet, even indoors. It’s index finger Hell but with a decent kit it’s an option at least.

Similar specs before vs blue con Geonid, 60 ranger
1338 self buffed attack in greater wolf overlapped Avatar at 74% health (prior tests were without Avatar, roughly 1450 attack after). 91% haste. Tolan arrows (3dmg), Primal Bow, rooted target so no double damage hits

8083 Total damage….235seconds…34dps…78 hits…max hit 173…average 103
Roughly 4 mins plus 2 mins to summon arrows (x4 clicks)

With a fungi I’d use a Herbalist Spade to open and start plinking once root procs, (unless you have to cast it). They would not be quick fights.

Note: Still painful solo work. Pretty quick to put down highkeep nobles and bards though even if you dont have great gear. Snag a Tolan for sure [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Cecily]

I'm not really sure what utility there is to averaging item slots with mana. My ranger was an alt character I decided to stop supporting years ago. My next upgrades would have been Gauntlets of Dragon Slaying and Belt of Dwarf Slaying, which would have provided 439 mana from 2 slots. What items you get makes a difference. Yeah it's raid stuff.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not really sure what utility there is to averaging item slots with mana. My ranger was an alt character I decided to stop supporting years ago. My next upgrades would have been Gauntlets of Dragon Slaying and Belt of Dwarf Slaying, which would have provided over 500 mana from 2 slots. What items you get makes a difference. Yeah it's raid stuff.

And I've said many times that BiS raid gear gives you mana. Nobody is arguing otherewise.

The majority of melee gear in P99 is not BiS raid gear, so most Rangers (including yourself and Snaggles) are making trade-offs between mana, melee stats, and resists until they get full BiS gear. That has always been my point.

Many people have Ranger alts instead of mains, so they aren't going to go full BiS anyway.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Green:Ranelagh

Bcbrown's Ranger has 7/20 items with mana/wis.

I don't think anyone is denying you could wear more mana gear if you wanted to, but so far the pattern is less mana items and more melee stat/resist items.

[Cecily]

Not all gear is BIS, nor is most gear. Got it! Thanks

Anyways. Mana is good to have.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Note: Still painful solo work. Pretty quick to put down highkeep nobles and bards though even if you dont have great gear. Snag a Tolan for sure [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A couple months ago I tried my hand solo against some geos (at level 56). I could kill them, but it was painfully not worth it. I'd root'n'shoot till like 60%, then Swarmcaller into dual wield. Tolan's Bracer is a huge QoL upgrade, definitely a must-have, unlike the gloves.

Oh, on your recommendation I got a BFG this summer too, definitely a really fun toy although I haven't yet figured out when it's appropriate to use. So far I've mostly broken it out for epic fights with disc, and it doesn't eat as many arrows as I feared. That and using the clicky whenever a friend is trying to hammer off me [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not all gear is BIS, nor is most gear. Got it! Thanks

Anyways. Mana is good to have.

So you think there is no pattern to 3 different rangers prioritizing melee gear/resist gear over gear with mana? It was just a random accident?

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Green:Ranelagh
https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Blerv
https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Green:Zalea

The average is 7/20 items with wis/mana on these Rangers, whereas my cloth caster has 13/20 items with int/mana. That has nothing to do with stat distribution on desireable melee gear for Rangers who are not full BiS?

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tolan's Bracer is a huge QoL upgrade, definitely a must-have, unlike the gloves.

Tolans gloves are cheap. You should try them out instead of simply ignoring them. Again it is easy to show their utility with evidence, if you are willing to learn something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGMz5gpf_EY

[Cecily]

Not all gear has mana. Got it! Thanks.