Best 4 person all caster/priest group

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[kjs86z2]

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[Gustoo]

The hardest thing about 3 enchy and a cleric is a zone with enough mobs to kill in the right range fast enough.

[kjs86z2]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The hardest thing about 3 enchy and a cleric is a zone with enough mobs to kill in the right range fast enough.

King spawn point camp.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Troxx's math was fine. It would have been even better if he had a focused/epic pet.

Your shaman math isn't factual. It's just numbers on a screen. You haven't provided any real time numbers. 1-2 fights doesn't count. Shamans on average will not dps like a mage.

I am sorry you proved nothing and used all that time trying to post numbers. Please come back when you actually have real data, not just shamans trying to flex their dps to win a lost debate.

My Shaman data is factual "real time numbers". Troxx brought single encounters, and so did I lol. How many fights do you want? I'll post a few more logs. It doesn't change.

My data is better than Troxx's because it's an actual log lol. With Troxx's data we have to assume his parser is correct.

You can parse my data right now if you don't believe it. I am even showing what mob I fought, so you can do the same and post your own logs with a Mage. We don't know what mobs Troxx was fighting.

My base DPS is going to be 60 with Bane + Envenomed Bolt. The only thing that is going to vary is my pet DPS, but that is true of a Mage as well.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My Shaman data is factual "real time numbers". Troxx brought single encounters, and so did I lol. How many fights do you want? I'll post a few more logs. It doesn't change.

My data is better than Troxx's because it's an actual log lol. With Troxx's data we have to assume his parser is correct.

You can parse my data right now if you don't believe it. I am even showing what mob I fought, so you can do the same and post your own logs with a Mage. We don't know what mobs Troxx was fighting.

Please post data for sustained xp group situations, as Troxx has, as others have requested. We don't care about 1-2 fights. And bring multiple shamans into the picture, not just one trying to win this argument. A shaman will on average be lower dps than a mage, this is factual, even at 60. The gap will continue to increase as mages acquire things like focus item/epic.

Until then, sorry, you've provided nothing of value.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please post data for sustained xp group situations, as Troxx has, as others have requested. We don't care about 1-2 fights. And bring multiple shamans into the picture, not just one trying to win this argument. A shaman will on average be lower dps than a mage, this is factual, even at 60. The gap will continue to increase as mages acquire things like focus item/epic.

Until then, sorry, you've provided nothing of value.

You are just being silly because you don't want to accept it. You are also trying to win the argument[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mage DPS is going to be around 80 on average, as the math clearly proves.

Shaman DPS is going to be around 70 on average, as the math clearly proves.

Nobody is going to use a Mage over a Shaman for 10 DPS, with occasional increases in DPS via burst lol.

Mage Epic is very rare, so you can't count on your group having one.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are just being silly because you don't want to accept it. You are also trying to win the argument[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mage DPS is going to be around 80 on average, as the math clearly proves.

Shaman DPS is going to be around 70 on average, as the math clearly proves.

Nobody is going to use a Mage over a Shaman for 10 DPS, with occasional increases in DPS via burst lol.

Mage Epic is very rare, so you can't count on your group having one.

Shaman DPS is not 70 on average. That's your attempt to flex to win this argument, lol. In reality, they will get lazy, stop spamming dots/canni/torpor just to try to keep up, and end up spamming their jbb because they are not trying to win an argument in a thread. I've seen this time and time again. That's the beauty of mages, they don't really have to try that hard to do it. People tend to be lazy, like rogues not even bothering clicking backstab.

Your math is not real, lol. Just inflated to win an argument. Sorry, you've provided numbers that nobody takes seriously.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shaman DPS is not 70 on average. That's your attempt to flex to win this argument, lol. In reality, they will get lazy, stop spamming dots/canni/torpor just to try to keep up, and end up spamming their jbb because they are not trying to win an argument in a thread. I've seen this time and time again. That's the beauty of mages, they don't really have to try that hard to do it. People tend to be lazy, like rogues not even bothering clicking backstab.

Your math is not real, lol. Just inflated to win an argument. Sorry, you've provided numbers that nobody takes seriously.

The math is factual, a Shaman can easily output 70 DPS over 70 mobs. You can't escape it, and can do the math yourself! A Shaman would just need to click 3 buttons (pet attack, Bane, Envenomed Bolt).

You really can't use the "lazy" player argument. If that was the case then Mage DPS is also lower lol. They would forget to use their pet at times when they got lazy because the two Enchanter pets are already destroying the mob. They also wouldn't nuke.

Saying the math isn't real means nothing, because it's factually real. You are just making stuff up because you can't admit defeat.