Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[7thGate]

Originally Posted by Vivitron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The pets have good hp but slowing is unreliable with only tash so you're back to valueing the shaman in addition to the cleric imo, although maybe a mage could work. I doubt that the shaman could tank+heal even preslowing.

I think the clearest case for me is Chardok Overking. Duoable but rough for ench+cleric. I don't think it's slowable or shaman self heal tankable.

I did have a pretty good experience duoing a round of puppets ench/shaman with the shaman torp tanking, would do it again given we have a pocket cleric available.

Puppets is a great duo camp with Shaman, assuming you can get one that is decently geared and isn't scared to tank them. The max hit is scary looking but they have terrible attack so torp is enough as long as they're not trying to DoT or anything. Any strong melee or charmed pet class can hold that camp in a duo with a shaman, its great.

[fortior]

Cleric isn't just healing power, it's also rez. Not having rez in some of these zones is an unacceptable risk imo

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody is giving up cleric for shaman in this setup. Complete heal for pets, multiple lines of stuns to include aoe stun, rez, DA, powerful emergency heals Â…

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tell us a specific camp that needs the Cleric CHing the character. Pocket Cleric is more than capable of handling the occasional res and pet CH.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As you can see, Troxx... cannot name even one camp that needs a Cleric CHing an Enchanter pet.

Hey DSM, just because you tell, demand, or ask another poster (such as Troxx) to do something (such as "Tell us a specific camp that needs the cleric CHing the character") does NOT mean they are under any sort of obligation to do so.

You should be well aware of this objective fact, as multiple previous posts in this very thread (from multiple different people) have repeatedly tried telling, demanding, or asking you to provide evidence of your Shaman root-rotting mobs separately from the group that your Shaman is actively playing/grouping with. You provided no evidence (despite your many hundreds/thousands of posts in this thread) that support your claims of such activities.

Therefore, I am not sure why your post seems to have an accusatory or "gotcha!" vibe, as if Troxx not doing what you told/demanded/asked him to do is somehow a bad thing or somehow proves that "Troxx is unable to explain his position, and cannot name even one camp that needs a Cleric CHing an Enchanter pet.", as it proves no such thing, and if it did, then by the same logic you would be simply inadvertently/unintentionally conceding that YOU YOURSLEF, by not providing evidence of your Shaman root-rotting mobs parallel to your group (that you are actively grouping with) would be sufficient cause for another poster (such as myself, Troxx, etc.) to objectively claim that you are incapable of providing evidence to support your claims of your Shaman root-rotting multiple mobs parallel to your group.

Additionally, your specific use of:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As you can see, Troxx... cannot name even one camp that needs a Cleric CHing an Enchanter pet.

was - objectively - a blatant straw man, because Troxx simply did not claim that any camps exist which "needs a Cleric CHing an Enchanter pet".
Cute straw man, was it fun to argue against?
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[Vexenu]

Charming a big nasty with a Cleric partner is so much nicer knowing that if charm breaks at a bad time he'll be backing you up with Stun Command, Aego, CH and if all else fails, rez.

Meanwhile with some fat fuck Shaman he's just gonna buff you with Talisman of the Jagoff and impotently spam Chloro before you both take a dirt nap.

[fortior]

Claiming a pocket cleric for pet CH is such a bullshit stretch. Yeah let me just pocket a shaman to malo and slow on every single pull in ST. Good grief.

[Troxx]

My sentiments have not changed since page 76

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Ladies and gentlemen… we are witnessing an atomic meltdown!

Myself and others spent the first 50+ pages of this thread trying to have an honest discussion with actual data. Unfortunately we learned quickly that it was pointless. 420 pages later we have covered precisely 0 ground with captain oblivious.

If nothing else, it has been highly entertaining.

[Toxigen]

500 pages here we come.

Let's put a twist on this. These hypothetical group comps start at level 1. No "HURR POCKET CLERIC" bullshit.

By the time DSM's "shaman over cleric" variant hits 60 the cleric group has been farming for weeks or months because they were able to keep uber pets rolling constantly (CH) and rez when things go tits up to keep the XP bars chugging along.

Oh and then they need to pool all their resources to buy Torpor, a spell which also slows down pet dps.

lmao

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by fortior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Claiming a pocket cleric for pet CH is such a bullshit stretch. Yeah let me just pocket a shaman to malo and slow on every single pull in ST. Good grief.

Comparing a level 49 pocket cleric to a 60 Torpor Shaman is silly.

Let me remind you what a pocket character is, as people seem to forget in this thread for some reason:

https://project1999.com/forums/showp...postcount=4706

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh and then they need to pool all their resources to buy Torpor, a spell which also slows down pet dps.

lmao

If you have 2-3 Enchanters, you are spending a lot of money on Enchanter spells too. This is a silly argument. Torpor has also gone down a lot in price.

You don't Torpor the pets, the Shaman tanks the mob and Torpors themselves. Pets get more DPS because they are attacking from behind, and they don't take damage. Shaman can buff the pets too.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My sentiments have not changed since page 76

Troxx still cannot name a camp that needs a Cleric CHing the pet, and he is a proven troll https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=114 .

He doesn't provide evidence for his claims, yet asserts he is correct. He can't even provide log data for DPS calculations. He believes a pixelated screenshot of an excel spreadsheet is good enough evidence, but log data and videos are not.

I have provided evidence for my claims in this thread, everybody can see it if they go back into the thread and check. Trolls simply claiming all of my evidence is invalid is nothing but a troll tactic. They can't provide counter-evidence, so they try to invalidate other people's evidence by trolling. It's the only strategy they have.

[Trexller]

someone was trying to sell torp for 35k on blue yesterday

[Troxx]

I lub me some shaman but DSM is smoking crack