Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Duik]

Thanks dsm. You hardly need to have anyone else here, you are the most conceited person I think I've ever had the misfortune to encounter either personally or virtually.

Please continue to post before thinking.

[Duik]

Shammy wiff staff of forbidden rites. FTW!

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks for the laugh.

Your points have all been thoroughly discussed in the first few hundred pages of this thread. Ironically … let us circle around to the very first reply of this thread. I wonder who it was:



I’m curious on the “why” behind the fundamental shift. Clearly you saw the value of a cleric for this theoretical group. You didn’t even bother to mention leaving cleric off the table until dozens (possibly a few hundreds) of pages in. Actually, you know what? I’m not going to lie … I’m not curious about the why. I already understand it.

You lost the argument hundreds of pages ago. If a cleric is present - the shaman adds little to no value that isn’t redundant. So what’s a DSM to do after losing multiple arguments multiple times? Kick the cleric out of the group and advocate for allowing pocket clerics to be considered to cover the severe gaps in the shaman’s toolkit when managing multiple buzz-saw charm pets.

I never said Clerics were bad in this group. I certainly see value in them. Discussing whether a Shaman or Cleric is better if you have to pick one is not the same thing as saying a Cleric is bad. But Clerics can be pocketed, so there is less need to main one the more I thought about it. I look at reality, where pocket clerics exist and are common practice. OP did not rule them out, so they are fair game.

As you can see, Troxx cannot rebut the points I made, or supply counter points. He just continues to concede via trolling. He's made it clear multiple times he doesn't understand the Shaman class very well.

If Troxx ever wants to actually win an argument instead of pretending to win like a child, he can read this post and attempt to rebut it https://project1999.com/forums/showp...postcount=4843

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Duik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shammy wiff staff of forbidden rites. FTW!

Don’t forget pocket cleric with second staff for recharge!!

[fortior]

I think there are situations where you'd want both a cleric and a shaman, but the question of 'best 4 man group' cannot be answered without knowing the context, since each of the following meaningfully alters which classes' abilities are top tier

- the goal (xp, plat, loot, 'hardest target killed', specific quests, etc)
- real world or in a vacuum, aka is there competition (FTE or clearing wise), do you need the ability to do many different camps if yours is taken
- does the group need to act like a cohesive group

The OP is vague on all of this which is actually a benefit, because now you can look at different sets of contexts and see where some classes shine.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by fortior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think there are situations where you'd want both a cleric and a shaman, but the question of 'best 4 man group' cannot be answered without knowing the context, since each of the following meaningfully alters which classes' abilities are top tier

- the goal (xp, plat, loot, 'hardest target killed', specific quests, etc)
- real world or in a vacuum, aka is there competition (FTE or clearing wise), do you need the ability to do many different camps if yours is taken
- does the group need to act like a cohesive group

The OP is vague on all of this which is actually a benefit, because now you can look at different sets of contexts and see where some classes shine.

There have been some great discussions here due to the lack of restrictions on OP's part for sure!

Without any specific direction, my default is what players do in reality. The goal of leveling is to get to 60 so you can play the endgame. This means the group is endgame focused. Pocket characters and mules are used, and the group is going after "normal" endgame camps that don't need a Warrior tanking. These are camps like Fungi King, Chardok, West Waste Dragons for 6+ Necks, Siren's Grotto, etc.

There are certainly a multitude of other routes that this group can take due to the lack of restriction. I am looking at the well trodden path, as people tend to gravitate towards it.

Doing things like low man ST clears is a cool idea for prismatic dragon scale MQs. It has a lofty requirement of four ST Keys, but it could be done eventually if all four group members are active in raiding guilds. Or if the group can somehow pool enough plat to buy four ST Keys.

[bcbrown]

OK DSM, I'll make the case for cleric to you. But before I start, surely you're not disagreeing with the point that Clerics synergize well with Enchanters? I want to see where I can start from a place of common aggreement.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OK DSM, I'll make the case for cleric to you. But before I start, surely you're not disagreeing with the point that Clerics synergize well with Enchanters?

I am not sure where you are reading these things. This seems to be a common problem of yours.

Please show me where I said Clerics and Enchanters do not synergize well.

[bcbrown]

So then you agree that clerics and enchanters synergize well?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So then you agree that clerics and enchanters synergize well?

If you can't read the last post, I cannot help you. You need to be able to read what other peoole say before you can rebut them.