Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shaman/Monk is a great duo, and throwing in an Enchanter is just icing on the cake. A strong duo + the strongest solo class will obviously be a capable trio.

But two can play at this game.

Enchanter/Cleric is even stronger duo than Shaman/Monk. And we can then throw in another Enchanter as icing, the same way you did with your duo. But since everyone knows that Enchanter/Cleric is a stronger duo than Shaman/Monk, our resulting trio of Enchanter/Enchanter/Cleric is stronger than Shaman/Monk/Enchanter.

And given that Monk is a Shaman's best duo partner, SHM/ENC/XXX/XXX (removing the Monk since this is an all priest/caster discussion) will necessarily be weaker than ENC/ENC/CLR/XXX.

Admit it, DSM. You've lost. You must now concede, apologize to the forum, rend your garments and spend three days cloaked in sackcloth and ashes, wailing in repentance for your misdeeds.

It's up to you to prove Enchanter/Cleric is better than Shaman/Enchanter! I look forward to your evidence.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Up to you to prove it! I look forward to your evidence.

Where's your evidence that supports the below claims again? I don't see it in the hundreds/thousands of posts that you've made in this thread.
Up to you to prove you can name a camp that needs a Shaman!
Up to you to prove Shaman can/does improve a group's DPS (more than a non-epic Mage can/does) by root rotting multiple mobs parallel to the group!
I - still - look forward to your evidence.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As you can see, this spam and nonsense will simply continue.

Why? Instead of "spamming nonsense" you could simply provide evidence to support your claims. It really isn't hard hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

cannot back up claims

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

conceding...refusing to answer

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can keep pretending otherwise to dodge this, but everybody can see it. You concede every time you dodge like this.

Thank you for conceding you cannot back up the below claims.
You can keep attempting to dodge the below, but everybody can see it. You concede every time you dodge like this.

You "need" to provide an(y) example of a camp that "needs" a Shaman to substantiate your claim that you can name multiple camps that "need" a Shaman.

You also "need" to provide evidence that supports your tens/dozens/hundreds/thousands of posts in this thread in which you claimed that Shaman can/does improve a group's DPS (more than a non-epic Mage can/does) by root rotting multiple mobs parallel to the group.

I'm not sure if you've forgotten about these things that you claimed - if so, feel free to refresh your memory at any time by re-reading as the post history is clear and visible to all. You're simply not going to get away with making baseless, unsubstantiated claims. It's really not a good look for you.

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Up to you to prove Enchanter/Cleric is better! I look forward to your evidence.

Prove to who?

We all agree

CLR / ENC better than ENC / SHM

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Prove to who?

We all agree

CLR / ENC better than ENC / SHM

Agreement does not mean it is correct. Everybody could claim the sky is orange, but they would still be wrong.

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Agreement does not mean it is correct. Everybody could claim the sky is orange, but they would still be wrong.

Almost 500 pages in

Who have you converted?

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Agreement does not mean it is correct. Everybody could claim the sky is orange, but they would still be wrong.

And your below claims are still unsubstantiated (and likely false):

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Up to you to prove it! I look forward to your evidence.

Where's your evidence that supports the below claims again? I don't see it in the hundreds/thousands of posts that you've made in this thread.
Up to you to prove you can name a camp that needs a Shaman!
Up to you to prove Shaman can/does improve a group's DPS (more than a non-epic Mage can/does) by root rotting multiple mobs parallel to the group!
I - still - look forward to your evidence.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As you can see, this spam and nonsense will simply continue.

Why? Instead of "spamming nonsense" you could simply provide evidence to support your claims. It really isn't hard hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

cannot back up claims

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

conceding...refusing to answer

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can keep pretending otherwise to dodge this, but everybody can see it. You concede every time you dodge like this.

Thank you for conceding you cannot back up the below claims.
You can keep attempting to dodge the below, but everybody can see it. You concede every time you dodge like this.

You "need" to provide an(y) example of a camp that "needs" a Shaman to substantiate your claim that you can name multiple camps that "need" a Shaman.

You also "need" to provide evidence that supports your tens/dozens/hundreds/thousands of posts in this thread in which you claimed that Shaman can/does improve a group's DPS (more than a non-epic Mage can/does) by root rotting multiple mobs parallel to the group.

I'm not sure if you've forgotten about these things that you claimed - if so, feel free to refresh your memory at any time by re-reading as the post history is clear and visible to all. You're simply not going to get away with making baseless, unsubstantiated claims. It's really not a good look for you.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Almost 500 pages in

Who have you converted?

You do realize more people read than post? And who would want to post when they get attacked, trolled, and spammed relentlessly? All you are doing is dicouraging people from posting by acting like this. Instead of actually having a dialogue, you simply claim you are correct.

[bcbrown]

Clerics provide substantially better blast healing. Sometimes shit hits the fan and rapid healing is more important than mana-efficient healing. Here's the health per second figures of shaman and cleric heals:
Greater Healing - 80 HPS for cleric, 72 HPS for shaman
Superior Healing - 129 HPS for cleric, 116 HPS for shaman
Remedy, level 51 - 146 HPS
Divine Light, level 53 - 200 HPS
Chloroblast, level 55 - 128 HPS
Torpor - 300hp/tick is 50 HPS

Cleric health per second is 129 at level 50 compared to 72 for shaman. 200 to 128 at 55 onwards.

Last night I was cleric for a CoM arena group - two enchanters, a rogue, and a ranger who was pulling and tanking. We had absolutely insane DPS, and were clearing arena, the goo houses, and most of the moat. At one point one of the enchanters started getting slapped around, perhaps on a charm break. I had to chain-cast superior healing, superior healing, greater healing, with the first spell landing at about 15%, the second at about 20-25%, and the third bringing them back up to almost full.

I'm level 49, so if I was on my shaman my best heal would be greater healing. Two GH would have been 540hp, while the two SH healed over 1150. That enchanter would have died if I was on my shaman.

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You do realize more people read than post? And who would want to post when they get attacked relentlessly? All you are doing is dicouraging people from posting by acting like this. Instead of actually having a dialogue, you simply claim you are correct.

You're going to have to 'prove' you converted a bunch of people that have read this thread and never posted

Can you cite one person that has actually posted within this thread who you converted. We're 500 pages in. Surely you can find one.

Good luck

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're going to have to 'prove' you converted a bunch of people that have read this thread and never posted

Can you cite one person that has actually posted within this thread who you converted. We're 500 pages in. Surely you can find one.

Good luck

OP picked a Shaman for their four man group.

Originally Posted by eqravenprince [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thank you for all the feedback. I think everyone has a lot of great ideas/thoughts on this subject. We went with shaman, enchanter and 2 necros. I'm the one playing the extra necro. I could have gone enchanter or mage, but with kids/wife it's nice to just feign death and afk at a moments notice. But I do agree in theory that possibly either of those classes offered a bit more than an extra necro.