SK Race Choice

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only right choices Is the races that allow you to wear PD robe for the mana BIS, all the other options yall are giving are invalid.

Vindi BP better. Robes are dumb.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Vindi BP better. Robes are dumb.

Sorry your ugly troll can’t wear, mana is all that matters and vindi has none. Hope that helps.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Let me break down the Vindi BP vs. PD Robe comparison a bit more.

A Troll with a Vindi BP who put 20 points into INT has +34 STA and +15 HP over an Iksar with PD Robe who put 20 points into STA. Their INT is basically equal, 82 vs. 85. That means the Troll has +192 HP over the Iksar. With Vindi BP you are getting an extra 100 HP via AoB regen in a 5 minute fight with something like a Cliff Golem. So you are getting a total of 292 HP with Vindi BP, roughly speaking.

The Iksar is getting roughly 320 more mana, which translates into 1 Drain soul with about 100 mana left over. So they are getting 338 HP and 100 mana from PD robe in the same fight with a Cliff Golem.

You are essentially trading 27 worn AC and 10 ATK for 46 HP and 100 Mana. While you could argue Innate Iksar AC can close the AC gap, you are still looking at a small trade. 10 ATK for 46 HP and 100 Mana.

Best case you can make for PD robe is it is basically equal to Vindi BP in terms of what you get. One click of Blood Ember Greaves is saving you 120 mana (which Iksars cannot use), so you are really trading 10 ATK and 20 mana for 46 HP.

I am not trying to say Max Mana is worthless on an SK. A bigger mana pool means you can spam more spells in a short time. But a lot of people forget the trade-offs you make when you pick a small race vs. a big race, and also the trade-off of Iksars not being able to wear plate. In enough BiS gear you can cap Stamina, and PD Robe gets a bit better. But realistically it's going to take a lot of BiS gear to get an Iksar to cap STA without buffs, and you are still losing Blood Ember, which can provide more mana than PD robe.

I understand your initial comment was about fashion, but personally I think plate looks better than Robes. You aren't hiding all the cool gear you got.

[Snaggles]

The only thing worse than a sk race thread is a pally charisma one. By the time they fizzle out the op could be 60.

Does it matter? Yes
Really tho? No

It’s a class with spells that can equip awesome gear. That means a lot of the player vs npc solo battles are determined by everything else than the last 200 mana or 8pt extra standing regen. It’s 80 hps a minute or 400 in 5 mins. If the fight comes down to those razor thin margins…Jesus…

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only thing worse than a sk race thread is a pally charisma one. By the time they fizzle out the op could be 60.

Does it matter? Yes
Really tho? No

It’s a class with spells that can equip awesome gear. That means a lot of the player vs npc solo battles are determined by everything else than the last 200 mana or 8pt extra standing regen. It’s 80 hps a minute or 400 in 5 mins. If the fight comes down to those razor thin margins…Jesus…

Let people get the correct answer and they can figure it out for themselves if it's worth caring about[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Better than a nothing answer like this.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let people get the correct answer and they can figure it out for themselves if it's worth caring about[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Better than a nothing answer like this.

There is no “correct”. It’s a spectrum of advantages and disadvantages. Even 20% xp penalty for a solo player is a disadvantage for how most people will solo to 60 (spawn limited). All that matters is 60, a lot of people stop playing before they see a class truly evolve.

What could Keer do as a troll but not a DE? What would they not be able to kill if a Iksar instead? Please enlighten us.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is no “correct”. It’s a spectrum of advantages and disadvantages. Even 20% xp penalty for a solo player is a disadvantage for how most people will solo to 60 (spawn limited). All that matters is 60, a lot of people stop playing before they see a class truly evolve.

What could Keer do as a troll but not a DE? What would they not be able to kill if a Iksar instead? Please enlighten us.

These questions are irrelevant. Iksar monks can’t do anything that a human cant also do, but yet you still see a million more iksar monks. An advantage is still an advantage. There is a best race for certain scenarios, despite how big or little the advantage may actually be

A troll will be able to crawl dungeons faster than a DE. They will have to swap weapons less since they have slam. They will also have more mana than iksar since you can and should be clicking BE every chance you get.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

These questions are irrelevant. Iksar monks can’t do anything that a human cant also do, but yet you still see a million more iksar monks. An advantage is still an advantage. There is a best race for certain scenarios, despite how big or little the advantage may actually be

A troll will be able to crawl dungeons faster than a DE. They will have to swap weapons less since they have slam. They will also have more mana than iksar since you can and should be clicking BE every chance you get.

This is correct. There are factually better/worse races in the game, and you can objectively determine them. Let people know what they are, so they can choose how they want to play. Knowledge is power.

Everybody agrees these advantages aren't enough to make another race unplayable, but some people want to have the best race for their class. If they enjoy playing that way, nobody should try to stop it.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

These questions are irrelevant. Iksar monks can’t do anything that a human cant also do, but yet you still see a million more iksar monks. An advantage is still an advantage. There is a best race for certain scenarios, despite how big or little the advantage may actually be

A troll will be able to crawl dungeons faster than a DE. They will have to swap weapons less since they have slam. They will also have more mana than iksar since you can and should be clicking BE every chance you get.

Do you know what a rhetorical question is?

[Duik]

Sometimes, there is actually no answer. Faffing on about 360 standing regen (or whatever) over a 5 min fight is pointless if the mob does 700 in 2 mins and ya dead.
Some of the best play sessions have been jerry rigged parties with mismatched classes just getting it the fuck done.
The EQ meta has been worked out years ago. Recreating and repeating, adinfinitum the theoretical advantage of itemX or stratY and classZ is pointless if all the OP ends up with is a bunch of forum poopsockers arguing.
As mentioned above, an all Iksar Shm Nec Mnk/Shd group does sound fun though. ZOMG, not optimum!