Any Young-Earth Creationists?

[vaylorie]

Originally Posted by Ephirith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok, so:

You: God created the universe.

Me: Who created God?

You: It doesn't matter, when you create the universe, you don't need to be created.

How the FUCK is that logical? That's nothing more than belief.

Ok, so:

You: Life in modern form was purely natural, infinitesimal chance over time = infinite complexity.

Me: Well, where did the original matter come from?

You: Nobody knows.

Me: Could it have been created?

You: There is absolutely no creator.

Me: Then how did it get here?

You: Nobody knows, we just can't understand it.

Me: You sure it couldn't have been a creator god?

You: No, it certainly wasn't a creator God.

Ephirith, Dropping logic bombs!

[Rhambuk]

well I'll be "god" damned to just sit by and watch teachers lie to my kids.

[Ephirith]

Originally Posted by vaylorie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Me: Well, where did the original matter come from?

You: Nobody knows.

Me: Could it have been created?

You: Yes
Ephirith, Dropping logic bombs!

Actually if you cut it off right there (before you put words in my mouth) you actually have a pretty accurate depiction of my position.

You see, you're claiming someone created the universe. I'm claiming we don't know how the universe was created, and that our lack of knowledge doesn't imply a creator. Those are hugely different.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Ephirith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You know what's silly, let's say the big bang happened:

At that instant, every action for the entire life of the universe was determined. With sufficient capacity to perceive and comprehend information, one could plot the future trajectory of a single particle, or every particle, from the moment of origination, into eternity.

You were always going to make the decisions you did, and a being with a godlike capacity for perception could have observed the universe billions of years ago, and seen an almost infinitely complex string of events and interactions creating, and leading up to, the specific conditions and characteristics of your life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Determinism

Ladies and gentlemen, free will is empirically false, and if an infinitely capable God manipulated your life, chances are he did so at the instant of creation and then never again.

How does it feel knowing you do what you will, but you don't will what you will?

I'm clinging to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisenb...inty_principle

[Ephirith]

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and that our existence is ultimately meaningless is selling ourselves short imo.

It bothers me deeply that you need an arguably malevolent, neurotic God to give your life meaning. Any God at all really.

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm clinging to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisenb...inty_principle

science? gtfoutta here!

and for the sake of fun can we stop reffering to the creator as "god" and something for humorous like optimus prime or papa smurf

[vaylorie]

Originally Posted by Ephirith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm claiming we don't know how the universe was created, and that our lack of knowledge doesn't imply a creator.

So you are arguing in support of the probability of a creator then. Welcome brother. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Given your unbiased examination of observed facts, you have a hypothesis that leads you to what conclusion? That regardless of how we arrived at life as we know it currently, original matter suddenly appeared or instead that it was created somehow? Just wondering the most unbiased logical conclusion here with the highest probability of accuracy given unknown information.

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I seriously don't get how you can have such poor reasoning skills. You say we don't know how the universe was created, at the same time admitting that it was created at some point. Yet you cannot make the simple leap of logic that suggests that anything that is created has a creator. You were created, therefor you have a creator. Who was your creator? Your mother and your father. The computer you're using was also created. Therefor it has a creator.

The universe was created, therefor it has a creator. The science is irrelevant in the matter. Science is merely the reverse engineering of the mechanisms which govern the physical world. Science has no jurisdiction outside of physical reality and therefor could never be used to measure anything beyond it. Since we know the universe didn't always exist, we know there is something beyond physical reality.

but who created the creator?

[Zadrian]

Originally Posted by vaylorie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok, so:

You: Life in modern form was purely natural, infinitesimal chance over time = infinite complexity.

Me: Well, where did the original matter come from?

You: Nobody knows.

Me: Could it have been created?

You: There is absolutely no creator.

Me: Then how did it get here?

You: Nobody knows, we just can't understand it.

Me: You sure it couldn't have been a creator god?

You: No, it certainly wasn't a creator God.

Ephirith, Dropping logic bombs!

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I'm sorry, but this is really stupid and shows an intense lack of knowledge in all life sciences.

The basic elements are theorized to be formed during the big bang (Helium and Hydrogen) then through many processes that are far too detailed for me to start explaining to you over this forum, we have ourselves the table of elements, which also happens to contain the elements of life (as we know it on Earth)

inb4 it's just a theory! (Please look up scientific theory and what it entails)

Sure, you can say, "but how did the big bang happen? It has to be gods, or humanoid lizards rait??!" The answer is simple, we have yet to find out.

Look at it this way, the world makes a lot more sense when seeking knowledge based on the big bang theory... Meaning that the way it is described to us post-big bang makes a lot more sense because we can see all of the evidence. Scientific discoveries can actually be viewed.

The universe does not function as it is written in the bible, or any other religious texts (world-wide floods, dude carrying the sun in a boat, some folks living on a mountain, or some asshole offering you 72 virgins for blowing yourself up ((which I heard isn't even in the Qu'ran)))

[OMGWTF420]

big z!