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Old 08-24-2013, 07:17 PM
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Wanting people to take care of each other because that is a good thing to do, without the use of force is the only way a true libertarian/small government society will work.

Persuading people to take care of one another by convincing them through debate/dialogue is the polar opposite of communism and marxism.
There's no use of force. No one's forcing you to get government mandated healthcare. It's available on a per-need basis. What are you not understanding? It's still people helping people no matter it be government or not.

What I don't understand is why you would rather take away a public resource that exists when all else fails? I can understand wanting to take away tax dollars from systems that we could do without, but really, taking away basic human rights fallback options because "I don't think it's right in my moral compass?" That is where your logical fallacy lies. If something's not done YOUR way it's a disaster waiting to happen, and that's wrong, if you can't keep your mind free and open (which you demonstrated in this thread in the OP saying that all transsexuals have or wanted Sex Reassignment Surgery) then why are you even in politics? You'll argue the same shit because you think it's right, and won't change your opinion.
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Old 08-24-2013, 07:19 PM
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Medical care can only be delivered by the government? My god the public school system is failing us and its honestly making me sad. What you are saying is that if i have a problem with government delivered healthcare I want people to die? This is your position? Honestly?

Please read true free market authors and become educated. Ill help you, start with Ludwig Von Mises.
That's not what I said, you lack reading comprehension. I'm saying that by denying health care in ANY form, you are making people die.
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Old 08-24-2013, 07:21 PM
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You didn't even read what i said in context, i was responding to what he said. My dear god the retards come out when politics gets brought up.

He told me i wanted people to die because i believed that free, peaceful people providing ANY service without the use of governmental force will provide a superior product and in this instance, superior medical care.

This is a fact. Government gets involved in an industry, prices go up, quality goes down.
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Old 08-24-2013, 07:23 PM
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That's not what I said, you lack reading comprehension. I'm saying that by denying health care in ANY form, you are making people die.
Please point to where i said i want medical care to be denied to anyone. Im really on the verge of laughing hysterically.
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Old 08-24-2013, 07:27 PM
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Old 08-24-2013, 07:29 PM
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There's no use of force. No one's forcing you to get government mandated healthcare. It's available on a per-need basis. What are you not understanding? It's still people helping people no matter it be government or not.

What I don't understand is why you would rather take away a public resource that exists when all else fails? I can understand wanting to take away tax dollars from systems that we could do without, but really, taking away basic human rights fallback options because "I don't think it's right in my moral compass?" That is where your logical fallacy lies. If something's not done YOUR way it's a disaster waiting to happen, and that's wrong, if you can't keep your mind free and open (which you demonstrated in this thread in the OP saying that all transsexuals have or wanted Sex Reassignment Surgery) then why are you even in politics? You'll argue the same shit because you think it's right, and won't change your opinion.
Oh my dear sweet jesus. You do not even grasp the basic concept that taxation IS force. Read this over and over and over until it sinks in.

Taxation is force.
Taxation is force.
Taxation is force.
Taxation is force.
Taxation is force.
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Old 08-24-2013, 07:32 PM
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I also don't believe in federal "public resources" as a moral stance, it is quite the opposite.

I love it how what i am suggesting is the ultimate in Love, Peace, Harmony and cooperation but you people are so brainwashed by your "schooling" that you think I am being bitter, cold and stoic because i think free, peaceful people should be able to keep the fruits of their labor and exchange in the trade of goods and services without the use of government force interfering.
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Old 08-24-2013, 07:33 PM
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Old 08-24-2013, 07:33 PM
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Old 08-24-2013, 07:34 PM
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You didn't even read what i said in context, i was responding to what he said. My dear god the retards come out when politics gets brought up.

He told me i wanted people to die because i believed that free, peaceful people providing ANY service without the use of governmental force will provide a superior product and in this instance, superior medical care.

This is a fact. Government gets involved in an industry, prices go up, quality goes down.
Apparently 'free' is too rich for your blood, because that's what most government mandated healthcare costs.

Take a look at public school vs private school, since you seem to have a hard-on for actual numbers. You can go to a public school, and get the same education as if you had gone to a private school. It requires the same amount of effort to be offered an education, yet one is more expensive, and the quality is the same. Knowledge is free, knowing how to put that knowledge together comes in varying quality. Now, let's say government schools were abolished. Do you have ANY idea what would happen?

I have an idea; take a look at history when public schools were not a thing. Ask yourself some questions:

1) How many centuries did the medieval times last?
5 centuries.
2) How fast is technology evolving now?
Rapidly when compared to even a century ago.
3) How much did school cost in medieval times? What was the quality?
Peasants could not afford school, and the quality was sub-par. Children today go to school for free, or private schools exist that generally have the same quality.
4) How many schools were available to the general populace in medieval times compared to now?
There were far fewer schools across the land. Most subjects were just entertainment for kids, not actually learning material.

Let's compare that to present-day medicaid:

1) How long was Health Insurance around?
Early-late 90's.
2) How fast can you get approved for medicaid or a private health insurance company?
A few hours in both cases.
3) How much did medicaid cost for private and how much does public health insurance provide?
Both vary depending on income.
4) How much health insurance was available now compared to post-medicaid?
About the same, give or take a few/more.

I even put it in a format a simpleton like Lron can understand. Having another option isn't bad, it's simply another option.
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