Collectivism vs Individualism

[Aenor]

Originally Posted by Llodd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are Nihilum and TMO the same guild? Both use the exact same logic.

Well, that's a mighty fine question there, Llodd. Nihilum hacks their way to victory, recruits 60% of the server making competition impossible, then cries an "ocean of tears" when the staff decides to make a new server. You would think they'd be happy... they can farm all the pixels they want uncontested... isn't that what they always wanted?

But no, what they want is something else (and coincidentally, something they will never have). They want casuals like us who have a life outside of games to stick around and be jealous of their "accomplishments." They don't want people to leave and go to a server where PvP actually happens. It's just like Nirgon said, they shit their own bed and now they're complaining about the smell.

Now, Supreme will probably jump right back in and say all this "hate" for Nihilum stems from jealousy. Unfortunately that argument won't apply in this case. I'm not on the outside looking in, I was on the inside looking out. I was in Nihilum, past ap status, getting loot at the time of Kunark release. I quit before I ever dinged 52. Raiding uncontested was so boring I lost interest.

So, there's no jealousy here. The operative emotion, for someone who sees people like Supreme desperately crying and begging for attention and affirmation, is pity.

[GrobbGangsta]

Originally Posted by Aenor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, that's a mighty fine question there, Llodd. Nihilum hacks their way to victory, recruits 60% of the server making competition impossible, then cries an "ocean of tears" when the staff decides to make a new server. You would think they'd be happy... they can farm all the pixels they want uncontested... isn't that what they always wanted?

But no, what they want is something else (and coincidentally, something they will never have). They want casuals like us who have a life outside of games to stick around and be jealous of their "accomplishments." They don't want people to leave and go to a server where PvP actually happens. It's just like Nirgon said, they shit their own bed and now they're complaining about the smell.

Now, Supreme will probably jump right back in and say all this "hate" for Nihilum stems from jealousy. Unfortunately that argument won't apply in this case. I'm not on the outside looking in, I was on the inside looking out. I was in Nihilum, past ap status, getting loot at the time of Kunark release. I quit before I ever dinged 52. Raiding uncontested was so boring I lost interest.

So, there's no jealousy here. The operative emotion, for someone who sees people like Supreme desperately crying and begging for attention and affirmation, is pity.

This could not be more accurate, and I just wanted to get in before the "you mads" or whatever Nihilum meme of the day gets tossed around.

They do not want "competition." They want a group of people with a serious disadvantage to continue to cobble together a ragtag group and be easily slaughtered while they safely hide behind numbers and gear. They want this to go on indefinitely.

Sorry brews, the dream is dead. All your pixels = zero.

[webrunner5]

Teams99 will be tits up in 6 months just like Red is now. Like it has been said, there is just not that many people that are still into PVP. I, like most people, can hack playing on Red for a day or two, but full time ain't happening with most people.

So I am afraid there is no real hope long term. And once Velious comes out on Blue there will be 4 people on Red playing.

[formallydickman]

This shits in the wrong forum, thought I somehow clicked on red server chat with all these extra long ego sigs and retarded megaman avatars

[Old_PVP]

It's pretty egotistical to think the devs are making a server because of nihilum. They're making a team server because lots of people, including mainly those who never played on red99 and couldn't even name five nihilum members, aren't interested in FFA pvp but they are in teams pvp.

This dude's quote pretty much sums it up.

Hey OP, the reason Red99's population is low is not because Nihilum are untouchable pvp gods... it's simply because Red99's ruleset is not popular. MMORPG history shows that TEAM pvp is always more popular than FFA. FFA rulesets like Rallos Zek or even Ultima Online need Item Loot in order to survive. (to create the pk/anti-pk dynamic) Which of course Red99 didn't have and is too far gone to implement now.

Get over yourself, Nihilum are not important. The only reason you may be the top guild is because the real pvpers recognized the glaring flaws of Red99 at server launch and decided not to waste their time. Nihilum's zerg force fell into the dominant spot by default, not by skill. Prepare to get rolled and smoked once teams launch and some real pvpers take interest.

[Neach]

One thing is clear, people are always unhappy and bitching (great community) and it gets old regardless.

The OP has diva issues, as do most here.

Also, its a fucking game. If you care so much start ur own nazi server where you can be digital hitler.

I always love to pop in from time to time to read such retarded posts and emotional replies over such selfish banter. If you're not happy stfu and stop whining period.


Get over yourselves, don't be greedy and help make it a funner place for everyone. Or you all could do the same thing with T99 where I can read in 6th months the same shit and wonder why most even bother. peace out shit stains.

[Razdeline]

You people are seriously sick

[Fame]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But, there's also a problem I completely underestimated which is that FFA grief pvp does not appeal to what should be our biggest target audience: blue guilds sick of the raid scene on blue99. Teams appeals to them.

The prophecy!

[Lu|z Sect]

Guild with 3 pocket GMs wondering why no one wants to play on neckbearded server? Surprise.

[Loke]

Originally Posted by Supreme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why not just man up..make a guild..compete and don't quit when you get spanked but keep trying?

We already know the answer to that...losers always want it to be easy for THEM and do not care about how it affects the rest.

Kind of like how you left blue to go raid on a fresh server after your guild on blue faded into obscurity and was unable to compete? Looks to me like people excited for the new PvP server are just taking a cue from the ol' Supreme playbook.