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[citizen1080]

Originally Posted by Turp_SmokinPurp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol. That is exactly what "the community" wants.
Give all 50+ epics, Instance the zones , and ban alts like Bob the millionaire broker says. + 100% mob rotation and full repops weekly.
WTF is happening?
If any of this takes place than they need to rename the server because it would no longer even resemble a classic Everquest experience...

While many people take things out of context on the forums I expect better of you sir.

I have NEVER said ban alts. Ever. Alts are the best part of the game for me. And guess what. All my characters are on different accounts which according to you means I both share account info and RMT.

My point was with everyone having 2,3,4,5, 10 lvl 60's camped out at various mobs there is no race to the raid scene anymore. Which is completely unclassic. Typing in a different login and password to move from Trak to VS is not raiding, sorry. Maybe we should just all install MQ2 so we can type in location coordinates instead of passwords. It would save 10-15 seconds of time.

I am not a big fan of rotations, it takes away the competition and the race. I am not looking for handouts or free loot. Just a decent chance at some without devoting my life to EQ. I did that 14 years ago and that was more than enough.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Fountree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lazie, the situation isn't classic because of the failure of the gms to release content on time first and foremost. Alts are created when 60 is hit, it's that simple. EQ is an evolving game not static and the timeline is paramount in creating a true end game experience. Not difficult to understand.

Blaming the staff is just the wrong route to take. Especially the people developing the content. They never said this server was a finished product when you signed up for it. They also do what they do for free for the most part (Donations aside for upkeep). They are also trying to recreate something that takes work with a client that wasn't specific to it's era. Takes work.

The rest about alts I mentioned above. You are completely wrong for saying it is the staffs fault for the player made problems. If the content was too old and not evolving fast enough for you...Take a break. Don't make the 3rd...4th..5th alt (Not saying you just people in general) and continue to push even harder for the same content. The players are the ones who keep creating characters and wanting more. Eventually you have to start thinking about the other players playing the game too and say "OK I have enough for myself here, it's time to leave it to others".

[Pint]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

SAYS SCROOGE MCDUCK

P.S. Give me Dracomir's login info. I'll pretend that Svenn 'hacked' the info in TMO guild chat and Detoxx will have a coronary.

finish leveling your monk, cant have either of mine bc sharing info is evil !

[Seltius]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It didn't resemble one before as far as the raiding environment was concerned. A lot of mechanics in the raid scene are not classic. The alt armies aren't classic. Not saying they are bad or that everyone should have epics I am just saying stop talking about classic as if what we had before was classic.

The timeline of classic versus this server is the huge reason for the differences. The staff and rules have tried to adapt to that IMO and the things implemented haven't always worked. Forcing TMO to come to the table and discuss changes seems like the only option that was left IMO. Now I don't blame anyone for the way the raid scene was...but it definitely wasn't healthy and it didn't inspire most of the server to want to play in it's environment.

I get the whole working for what you get argument. People should work for killing the raid mobs. But the extremes that was pushed to here became almost toxic. It was making people hate each other simply because they wear a different guild tag. When a different decision by any of those guys in regards to which guild they joined in the beginning could have easily landed them in the other guild and given them a different perspective.

Its funny but your arguments are the same arguments that have been voiced by people in several of the top raiding guilds. There are members in TMO that have voiced the same concerns in chat and other places. They want competition and recognize that the raid scene isn't healthy. They aren't a majority by any means in any of the guilds at the top right now.

People on these forums think that the guild tag makes a person evil, or a cheater, exploiter, etc. Some people play here to hang with friends or to relive the EQ of the past but for whatever reason they have gravitated to the guild they are in for a reason. That doesn't make them all evil.

Somewhere along the line things may have just become blurred when it comes to competition that can happen. Who is willing to go further or push harder that is always the risk.

In my little over a year playing here I have met a lot of great people and I've always tried to overlook the tag they wore. I have met them with the TMO tag and other tags that I have worn and even unguilded. It made me like the game again in its purest form a chance to talk to and meet people I probably never would have. And the chance to sit back relax and just have fun in a video game.

I made friends in TMO and other guilds again not because of the tag they wore but because I enjoyed hanging out with them or talking to them. You get to hear so many neat stories about things and places you may never see or experience.

That said I really hope it all works out. I personally don't believe that any guild should be required to roll over and hand out raid targets to anyone who isn't willing to work for them. But something has got to give like people have posted here the raid scene has become too toxic. That isn't any one guilds fault since everything TMO/IB/FE/TR etc. has been accused of that made it toxic currently and in the past was also mirrored by other raiding guilds.

Hopefully something is worked out to the benefit of everyone on the server even if it is just so new players aren't scared off from at least trying the raid scene. In the end raiding isn't for everyone but everyone should have a chance to at least try if they want to.

[Turp_SmokinPurp]

Originally Posted by citizen1080 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While many people take things out of context on the forums I expect better of you sir.

I have NEVER said ban alts. Ever. Alts are the best part of the game for me. And guess what. All my characters are on different accounts which according to you means I both share account info and RMT / trade accounts.

NOT BOTH JUST 1 or the OTHER"Turp"^^^

My point was with everyone having 2,3,4,5, 10 lvl 60's camped out at various mobs there is no race to the raid scene anymore. Which is completely unclassic. Typing in a different login and password to move from Trak to VS is not raiding, sorry. Maybe we should just all install MQ2 so we can type in location coordinates instead of passwords. It would save 10-15 seconds of time.

I am not a big fan of rotations, it takes away the competition and the race. I am not looking for handouts or free loot. Just a decent chance at some without devoting my life to EQ. I did that 14 years ago and that was more than enough.

sorry let me break it down more I just briefly ran over it and did misrepresent what you said.
Bob does not want alts banned just new code written to help enforce a better raid environment WITHOUT a forced rotation. Which sounds good.

All my chars are on the same account so I do not have to type new info to raid a different mob.
Realistically most raiders have 1-2 60s , only a few have 5+ 60s.
I said or meant if you have multiple 60s on multiple accounts yes you either share your account info or you Bought WITH plat or RMT'd accounts. It was legal here once.
There is No reason to have 1 60 on 7 different accounts.
If there is a legit reason other than what i mentioned to have these 60s than please, explain. Because you did not. An I really can think of no reason for it. Besides 2-box, rmt future saler, or something planned with that account that is not legit. Or you bought them when account trading was in.

[Fountree]

Lazie, you're right that its not ok to bash the GMs for giving me and other EQ lovers something ive (mostly) really enjoyed for free for years. That's why i edited that earlier post, my aim here isn't to hurt. But at the same time its kind of true that this extension of the timeline is at the root of most of the problems here. And that comes down to the dev team. Of course its wrong to expect something from ppl who work for free, but that doesn't change the fact that its been incredibly slow and that has had a detrimental effect.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Fountree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lazie, you're right that its not ok to bash the GMs for giving me and other EQ lovers something ive (mostly) really enjoyed for free for years. That's why i edited that earlier post, my aim here isn't to hurt. But at the same time its kind of true that this extension of the timeline is at the root of most of the problems here. And that comes down to the dev team. Of course its wrong to expect something from ppl who work for free, but that doesn't change the fact that its been incredibly slow and that has had a detrimental effect.

I think that the way players handle the situation going forward will play a big part in the way this server evolves going forward. Again the problems are player made in the environment that was present. Only the players will be able to change the culture of it. If decisions made are dictated in any part by any slight anyone felt in the past it may not change much at all. IF people can actually get over everything that happened before and make a change with the idea of making the server healthier it could be something special. Regardless of anyones opinion about how "carebear" that might be.

[citizen1080]

Originally Posted by Turp_SmokinPurp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol sorry let me break it down more I just briefly ran over it and did misrepresent what you said.
Bob does not want alts banned just new code written to help enforce a better raid environment WITHOUT a forced rotation. Which is all cool dude. But A rotation is going to be made already , i promise bro, it is in the works now. So just get ready for it. It is coming.

All my chars are on the same account so I do not have to type new info to raid a different mob. An realistically most raiders have 1-2 60s , only a few have 5+ 60s.
I said or meant if you have multiple 60s on multiple accounts yes you either share your account info or you Bought/RMT'd accounts. It was legal here once.
There is No reason to have 1 60 on 7 different accounts.
If there is a legit reason other than what i mentioned to have these 60s than please, explain. Because you did not. An I really can think of no reason for it. Besides 2-box, rmt future saler, or something planned with that account that is not legit. Or you bought them when account trading was in which is the same category as RMT/trading that i mentioned above though.

No worries sir

As for characters on different accounts. Being "the Broker" I brokered a lot of account sales, and ended up snagging ones that I wanted. Buying an account with plat is in no way RMT. So you can't throw down a blanket statement like "anyone who has their characters spread across multiple accounts must share account info and or RMT" =p

[Fountree]

Originally Posted by citizen1080 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Buying an account with plat is in no way RMT. So you can't throw down a blanket statement like "anyone who has their characters spread across multiple accounts must share account info and or RMT" =p

Unfortunately this is something I hear all the time hurled at players who paid legit plat for chars before the ban. Usually accompanied by: "DIRTY RMTer" or "TMO douche" etc. even though most of the high end accounts ppl paid 200+k for , which would effectively pay for a PL to 60 and pretty amazing gear on a new char. Yet another example of entitled crybabies who are jelly they were late to the party.

[fastboy21]

the idea of "winning" EQ is not only borderline insane, but it represents a philosophy so diametrically opposite to what I think online gaming is all about that it makes me feel sick in my stomach.

it is a disease that has plagued EQ since...well, kunark release on live really. stop trying to win EQ and gather pixels. get into the beauty of a shared fantasy world with several thousand other people.