"Classic" feeling shifting?

[harnold]

Classic shoved down your throat? Get the hell out of here if you don't like it

[Taminy]

Honestly I've always had the classic feeling that classic was Velious OR Luclin. I'd play on a server that was up to PoP but no further and it wouldn't be my first choice - only because of the raids - everything else about PoP was stupid.

Flagging/Keying, PoK, faction being meaningless, excessive AAs... imo Luclin AAs were perfect (Luclin did have other problems though), enough to finally flesh out class roles but PoP AAs were just hamster wheeling. LDoN was even worse when it came to this. I remember it being billed as an expansion for casual players to get near raid quality items which they did, but it also added "needed" raid items for raiders. Aggro augments and armor augments for example, and it was just running the same crap over and over for those. The dungeons weren't even interesting either, killing orcs after I've been killing giants/dragons/gods... wtf. If LDoN had been an expansion like LoY with just content for lowbies/casuals/visual stuff it would have been ok, but the rest yuck. I guess you didn't really have to play it, and in fact I barely did [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] then I quit when Gates came out.

[Itap]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's one thing asking someone to group, exping or questing with someone.

It's another dealing with:

"That earring for 5k, lol man that's a piece of crap, I'll give you 3k"
"Aww 5k, I really only have 2765 plat, can ya do that?"
"Hey I'll take that earring for 500" - 2 min later - "WTS earring 700"

The same people who hated PoK books are the ones who didn't play porters. I play a 60 druid and 52 wizard. I'm almost never /role on either of them. I get request for pickups in Emerald Jungle or Unrest occasionally. I politely say nope, I'm busy. Most people understand and say thanks anyways. Cool. But sometimes you get the dude offering you 30 plat for the port and complaining when you don't feel compelled to travel 15min across Norrath to port them for less than a hill Giants worth of platinum.

Also PoK book complaining is the dumbest thing in the world on this server. People REGULARLY ask for a port from WC to Lavastorm or EC to SRo. It's 2 fucking zones. Run. But heaven forbid you could click a book and travel yourself. Instead you want to inconvenience someone else, spend their mana and time and quite often not pay them for it.

Don't get me wrong, I do port people, almost never accept plat, and SoW them on their way. The general population of this server however feels entitled to these services and in the same breath they ask for a port with, they will criticizes the very features that unburdened players like myself from providing them.

I don't have any issues porting friends or guildmates. However the "interaction" you refer to from getting a port from a random guy is basically non existent. 95%+ of my ports involve these tells:

"Can I get a port from X to Y"
"Thanks"

Occasionally:

"Sorry corpse run otherwise I'd donate"
Or
"You sure you don't want plat"

Often:

"Can I get a INSERT BUFFS HERE?"

Shit isn't interacting with me at all. You interact more with the guy at the liquor store or the woman at the grocery store scanning your items.

PS - Yes, I am salty of that argument consistently being made on these boards. No one gives a shit about talking to their porter, they just want their port.

I have a druid that is specifically for porting, so I understand the frustration. People bombarding you for ports, buffs, or rezzes? Shits classic, it happened back in the day, and still happening now, here. Once you start adding in "convenience" mechanics, you lose the feel of the game, imo. PoK books? Bazaar? Mercs? When do you draw the line?

When it comes to classic EQ, I'm either all in, or not at all.

[Mentathiel]

Technically, boats that go west out of Butcherblock Mountains is not classic, but we accept that fix. Maybe there is some room for changing some things without losing the classic feel...

[Bodybagger]

Luclin was always okay in my book minus Bazaar... I love EC Trading... bazaar was efficient as hell but man... I loved EC Trading. One of the most classic things about p99.

XP was so quick there though... honestly you could smash a character 1-30 without powerlevel or twinking in a day or two pretty easily by then... it got a bit absurd and rushed you through more than I cared for, but once you've experienced low end content dozens of times.... *shrug*

PoP was crazy with PoK wrecking port/spire/boat travel, the world got vastly smaller with PoK... once you bound there it was over. Nothing special about druid and wizard then as far as interactions go... that's sad. Missed the port service ads, the slight roleplaying that always goes along with hiring services of another class. The grind groups in planes were cool with new mobs and such and the gear got very good... level cap only up to 65 I think been so long... either way, not so bad.

When did berserkers come?

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Itap [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have a druid that is specifically for porting, so I understand the frustration. People bombarding you for ports, buffs, or rezzes? Shits classic, it happened back in the day, and still happening now, here. Once you start adding in "convenience" mechanics, you lose the feel of the game, imo. PoK books? Bazaar? Mercs? When do you draw the line?

When it comes to classic EQ, I'm either all in, or not at all.

That's a fine position to have.

I just tire of the people who complain that PoK books made the world smaller, they reduced interaction with players and yet on this server expect me to port them to a zone 2 zones away, sow them and buff them. Especially if these are /role or /Anon people who have 0 problem hiding their class and never making themselves available to requests for assistance/interacting with other players. Yet will always send me requests for ports buffs or PLs.

PoP was the pinnacle of EQ. If there were a solid PoP locked server Id be there in a heartbeat. It makes me very sad that closed down Al'Kabor still. Would've easily paid a Strommhammer level subscription to play on that server even though it had a single patch and almost no support for the past year of its existence.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

I hated EC trading with a passion because I played eq on basically a 486 and had to stare at the ground in order to get anywhere.

The bazaar also flooded the market with low level items. Something you don't see here.

[Itap]

Originally Posted by Yumyums Inmahtumtums [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The bazaar also flooded the market with low level items. Something you don't see here.

Perhaps you don't see them because people like myself just walk up the random new people and trade them items. Just gave away a green jade broadsword to a new barb warrior the other day in blackburrow. Id rather give it to someone who can use it than make the 100pp.

[Whirled]

Originally Posted by Yumyums Inmahtumtums [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I hated EC trading with a passion because I played eq on basically a 486 and had to stare at the ground in order to get anywhere.

The bazaar also flooded the market with low level items. Something you don't see here.

Yikes.. u brought back memories of CH'ing from F9 top view so the lag wasn't so bad, lol Thanks for the memory jogging!

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Itap [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Perhaps you don't see them because people like myself just walk up the random new people and trade them items. Just gave away a green jade broadsword to a new barb warrior the other day in blackburrow. Id rather give it to someone who can use it than make the 100pp.

This is part of the equation yes.

The other part is that those types of items rot, get destroyed, given to pets or sold to vendors because they aren't worth spending 2 hours in EC to sell. My personal favorite since the latest patch is just trade them to a charmed NPC and leave the zone. Let them discover a Green Jade Broadsword on a decaying skeleton.

However if there were a bazaar maybe they'd be worth the bag space to list on your trader overnight. Then newbies would have the ability to work towards buying some of these items.

There would still be people who give them away as well.