What's the beef with boxing?

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by kildone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Glenzig

You miss the point. I would not feel the need to box just because I could. I might desire to box if there was no other way I could play certain classes when no groups are available.

I might be wrong but I seem to read a lot on the forums about how you don't want to play certain classes because nobody will invite you.

Oh that's why you started a thread about it? Because its something you really don't want to do? Yeah ok. You, me , and everyone else would box if the option were made available. In every mmo I have played where it is allowed I have initially resisted the option to box. But after a while with groups being hard to get due to the prevalence of boxers, I have given in and found myself boxing toons from that point on.
The window for "man I just can't find any groups" reduces enormously for some people when the option to box is present, and completely erases the need or desire to even look for a group for most of the population. If you think that it wouldn't hurt the community, just look at how many people get banned for breaking this rule at present. And on top of that the amount of people that circumvent the rule by obtaining an IP exemption for their "wives", or "sons", or "roommates".
Everyone would do it. If not initially, then eventually. It ruins mmo's. Its against the server rules. And it adds nothing to the EQ experience that cannot already be had by relying on the community. Those seem like pretty good reasons not to allow it to me.

[sox7d]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh that's why you started a thread about it? Because its something you really don't want to do? Yeah ok. You, me , and everyone else would box if the option were made available. In every mmo I have played where it is allowed I have initially resisted the option to box. But after a while with groups being hard to get due to the prevalence of boxers, I have given in and found myself boxing toons from that point on.
The window for "man I just can't find any groups" reduces enormously for some people when the option to box is present, and completely erases the need or desire to even look for a group for most of the population. If you think that it wouldn't hurt the community, just look at how many people get banned for breaking this rule at present. And on top of that the amount of people that circumvent the rule by obtaining an IP exemption for their "wives", or "sons", or "roommates".
Everyone would do it. If not initially, then eventually. It ruins mmo's. Its against the server rules. And it adds nothing to the EQ experience that cannot already be had by relying on the community. Those seem like pretty good reasons not to allow it to me.

tfw find myself agreeing with glenzig 100%. this is some russia & US vs germany shit.

[PDX0621]

What Glenzig said. I couldn't agree more!

[kildone]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh that's why you started a thread about it? Because its something you really don't want to do? Yeah ok. You, me , and everyone else would box if the option were made available. In every mmo I have played where it is allowed I have initially resisted the option to box. But after a while with groups being hard to get due to the prevalence of boxers, I have given in and found myself boxing toons from that point on.
The window for "man I just can't find any groups" reduces enormously for some people when the option to box is present, and completely erases the need or desire to even look for a group for most of the population. If you think that it wouldn't hurt the community, just look at how many people get banned for breaking this rule at present. And on top of that the amount of people that circumvent the rule by obtaining an IP exemption for their "wives", or "sons", or "roommates".
Everyone would do it. If not initially, then eventually. It ruins mmo's. Its against the server rules. And it adds nothing to the EQ experience that cannot already be had by relying on the community. Those seem like pretty good reasons not to allow it to me.

The distinction I was making is between wanting to box and feeling the need to box. Some folks want to eat pizza and wings. On the other hand some folks feel the need to smoke, likely because it is legal and nicotine is addictive.

I appreciate your deeper explanation on how it can progress from only wanting to box when "needed" to becoming the norm. How it can change the atmosphere of a server / community over time. After considering your arguments as well as others on this thread, I believe it makes sense.

I honestly feel that I would stop playing if I boxed more than an hour without finding a group. I quickly grew tired of boxing (my buddies Enc) on live when the game started to spiral and canceled my account.

As for starting this thread because I want to box on P99 that is not the case. If that was my motivation for making posts I would be posting on the thread in general chat. I genuinely just enjoy a good discussion and wanted to see how many well thought out reasons there were against it rather than the typical one liners.

Again there is a distinction, maybe subtle, between wanting to box sometimes and that being the reason for starting this thread. I understand completly that boxing will always be prohibited here and any posts in attempt to reverse that would be a waste of time.

The discussion here though was definitely not a waste of my time. I thoroughly enjoyed it and feel like I learned some things.

Thanks again to you and the others who posted well thought out responses.
Wish I could buy you all a beer.