Stolen Item

[Lady Julae]

Originally Posted by Halius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually even though the post was about a group, the rule still states that if YOU (solo or a group) kill a mob, you have full rights to that mob until the corpse expires. Don't understand how that can be taken any other way, but lawyers will lawyer I guess.

"YOU" only have loot rights if you have a group to "hold" the camp or corpse for you. If you are solo, no one can do that. If you log out when solo, you give up your rights to everything. It's not even a grey area.

By your rational, I could solo claim the night sister camp before I log out and expect it to be free when I log in with my alt. The rules CLEARLY state, you need a group to hold a camp or a loot right for YOU, the person logging out. It has nothing to do with being a lawyer, it's just simple reading comprehension.

[Halius]

Originally Posted by Lady Julae [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"YOU" only have loot rights if you have a group to "hold" the camp or corpse for you. If you are solo, no one can do that. If you log out when solo, you give up your rights to everything. It's not even a grey area.

By your rational, I could solo claim the night sister camp before I log out and expect it to be free when I log in with my alt. The rules CLEARLY state, you need a group to hold a camp or a loot right for YOU, the person logging out. It has nothing to do with being a lawyer, it's just simple reading comprehension.

The problem here is you are confusing the CAMP and the KILL. If I kill a mob in a camp I have exclusive rights to that mobs loot. Should I camp out to loot those items on an alt, then yes I forfeit the camp. However, I am still the one that killed the mob, thus I still have rights to THAT loot. I didn't say all future loot, just the mob that I killed.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Lady Julae [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Those rules only apply to raid and group kills. You may want to read again.

Incorrect.

Each of Eunomia's points are independent of each other. Camps must be held while switching, however, corpses need not be held.

A person is awarded loot rights when they kill a mob. As per Eunomia, "logging off to switch characters does not forfeit these rights."

If your interpretation stood, no individual could ever loot a corpse they solo killed because they did not possess the rights. The only reasonable view is that individuals are also awarded loot rights upon killing a mob, and that "logging off to switch characters does not forfeit these rights."

This is how it has always been.

[ctre]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Incorrect.

Each of Eunomia's points are independent of each other. Camps must be held while switching, however, corpses need not be held.

A person is awarded loot rights when they kill a mob. As per Eunomia, "logging off to switch characters does not forfeit these rights."

If your interpretation stood, no individual could ever loot a corpse they solo killed because they did not possess the rights. The only reasonable view is that individuals are also awarded loot rights upon killing a mob, and that "logging off to switch characters does not forfeit these rights."

This is how it has always been.

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[azeth]

Originally Posted by Lady Julae [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"YOU" only have loot rights if you have a group to "hold" the camp or corpse for you. If you are solo, no one can do that. If you log out when solo, you give up your rights to everything. It's not even a grey area.

By your rational, I could solo claim the night sister camp before I log out and expect it to be free when I log in with my alt. The rules CLEARLY state, you need a group to hold a camp or a loot right for YOU, the person logging out. It has nothing to do with being a lawyer, it's just simple reading comprehension.

you are 100% incorrect and please do not continue to further this point as it only leads to misinformation.

If i kill mob X, 100% of it's loot belongs to me and any character I choose to log to. I can choose to let it rot or loot it with a lvl 60 who doesnt need it, or a level 1 who cant use it.

The moment i log out, i no longer own mob X camp. I still own the corpse though.

[azeth]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you are 100% incorrect and please do not continue to further this point as it only leads to misinformation.

If i kill mob X, 100% of its loot belongs to me and any character I choose to log to. I can choose to let it rot or loot it with a lvl 60 who doesnt need it, or a level 1 who cant use it.

The moment i log out, i no longer own mob X camp. I still own the corpse though.

[azeth]

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[Uuruk]

You actually still own the camp.

[Eunomia]

Originally Posted by Lady Julae [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"YOU" only have loot rights if you have a group to "hold" the camp or corpse for you. If you are solo, no one can do that. If you log out when solo, you give up your rights to everything. It's not even a grey area.

No

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Each of Eunomia's points are independent of each other. Camps must be held while switching, however, corpses need not be held.

A person is awarded loot rights when they kill a mob. As per Eunomia, "logging off to switch characters does not forfeit these rights."

Yes

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The moment i log out, i no longer own mob X camp. I still own the corpse though.

Yes

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Interesting. A guildmate of mine swapped characters to loot something that was lore and he already had on that character, when he swapped over some level 1 toon had ninja'd the item and he was told when soloing you forfeit loots when you camp.

This ruling might have come into play.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...19&postcount=9

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty clear-cut, and these exact rules have been around in one form or another for quite some time. I really need to compile a "Project 1999: Errata and other extraneous information" post to put all this stuff. For now, this will have to do:

Camp holder has the right to pass the camp to whoever he would like. However, and this is very important, two things must happen in order for this to be a legitimate hand-off:

1) The player being handed the camp must be present around the time the first placeholder spawns after the last holder of the camp has gotten his or her item in hand. The person handing off the camp must stay at the spawn until the next person in line arrives, if that person is on their way to take the camp. There is a little leeway here, and we refuse to set an exact timer on how long the placeholder can be up before the camp is forfeited, but in general it should never be for more than a couple minutes or so. We tend to give the benefit of the doubt to the person coming in to take the camp in these situations as CSR staff, so waiting a bit longer will never hurt. W

2) The person holding the camp cannot mislead you, or change his mind after telling you who is next. Something that no one ever does (and I will never understand why) is to specifically address the camp holder, asking who is next or if you can be next. The camp holder does need to reveal to you who the next intended camp holder is - if he doesn't, you may ask to be next and your claim will be valid unless he reveals the next person immediately. This person cannot change after the camp holder has "revealed" the next person to take the camp to you. It is an automatic forfeit if this occurs. If you ask to be the next camp holder and are told yes, the camp holder may not later retract or change this agreement and attempt to hand the camp off to someone else - it's yours once he has gotten his item or moved on from the camp.

Something else important to note about handing off camps - in particular, popular ones, but this applies to any camp that becomes contested. If you are solo camping, once you attain the item you were waiting for (an AC ring, for example) you are done camping that mob. The person coming to take the camp had better be prepared at this point in order to come eliminate the very next placeholder spawn in order to "stake his claim" on the mob. You cannot work wacky corpse lines on lore items in order to grab multiple items in the same "camp session" if there are others waiting to take the camp. Please be aware that we reserve the right to apply this same ruling to any camp if we deem it necessary, including camps with multiple players.

I consider a "camp session" 24 hours. So if I see you have looted the sought after lore item in the last 24 hours, you need to move on.

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I feel for the GMs having to be extra careful what they say because of people like this who will quote them and dissect every word in every sentence.

If the above quote isn't the truth, I don't know what is.

It boggles my mind this is not clear:

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...&postcount=177

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=57267

The ownership of looting rights does not expire until the corpse expires.

Logging off to switch characters does not forfeit these rights.

Logging off while claiming a camp forfeits the camp claim if no other party member continues a presence at the camp during that "log off" absence. If the person logging off with no other party member present returns prior to another player claiming the camp, they may reclaim the camp.

You may not agree with the server's rules and policies, but we would appreciate it if you do not mislead other players while voicing your opposition.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...&postcount=180

Originally Posted by Eunomia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To reiterate because I typed it wrong and edited:

Logging off to switch characters does not forfeit these rights.

[Eunomia]

Originally Posted by Uuruk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You actually still own the camp.

In order to hold a camp, you must be actively killing placeholders/mobs within a reasonable amount of time after spawn.

Dying, zoning, or logging off (including LD) forfeits a camp.

If you return to the area before someone else arrives, you may reclaim by killing the placeholder/spawns.

If you return to the area and the placeholder/spawns have been killed by someone else, you have lost claim.

If you return and someone is there to contest, but the placeholder/spawns have not yet spawned, the placeholder / spawn is free for all / first to engage.

For definition of "camps" see the play nice policy here: https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=132299