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[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Jorgam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not entirely true. You can choose to deal with and do business with a company or not and money is a compelling force to drive change. Excluding when there is a monopoly. You're required to deal with the government.

you feeling good that you arnt contributing to comcast isnt changing internet speeds for the better for you EVER

















Guess who will change them for the better?







THE GOV LOL

[Jorgam]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guess who will change them for the better?

THE GOV LOL

Sure they will.

[iruinedyourday]

Actually ill give you this one, for now. but only with an interesting argument for the libertarian.

technically we would have much faster internet in the states if it wasn't for some age old bureaucratic nonsense about building infrastructure. If a corporation supplies something for public use, a road, lights, or in this case the Internet, they have to prove that what they supply will last for a long time at least many many years. This was to ensure infrastructure projects would be built to stand the test of time and not be a cash and grab for greedy industrialists.

Thats where google comes in, they are a company that like to build things that dont last and supply short term solutions. That way they can always supply the most modern technology. This ideal contradicts ideals of yore and in the case of providing highspeed wi-fi to everyone at free to low cost clashed. Google would be forced to build infrastructure that would last many years when what it would rather do is fly a bunch of weather balloons in the air to provide internet, or any other short term solution.

So thats part of the many reasons we dont have the best internet speeds in the US. Theres many more but thats just a case where the argument for less governmental control could be made.

I prefer an argument that the governmental control that once worked very well, and resulted in the best infrastructure in the entire world, could once again do that if updated to be more in line with progressive standards.

tl;dr sometimes good government policies age poorly, the case for the argument is we can be involved in that if we want to be but with a corporation remember, whatever they want to do, you do.

[Lurikeen]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You think I'm asking whether their government controls itself? You need to challenge yourself more; if you're going to invent questions for yourself, invent harder ones.

Let's think about that one for a minute.

What would someone mean when they say "they actually exercise political control over their own government." I don't know, the German people maybe? And that's in direct contrast to the United States whose government answers primarily to the wealthy and powerful, and basic political representation has become dangerously meddled by gerrymandering, apathy, cynicism, tribalism, and the buying of politicians.

TL;DR if you still don't get it: Your average German citizen has more political power than your average American citizen.

No, I get it. "Know it alls" such as yourself have a difficult time letting go of even the most ridiculous assertions and will continue to defend them so as to appear "smart."

The solution for your envy is to move to Deutschland and gain citizenship. Do the rest of us a favor and stop trying to make the USA your idealistic, European, world. Have a nice day.

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by Lurikeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, I get it. "Know it alls" such as yourself have a difficult time letting go of even the most ridiculous assertions and will continue to defend them so as to appear "smart."

Nah, you definitely don't get it. You read at a level below that at which Lune writes. You have consistently misinterpreted his words since his first post in this thread. You've even called him incoherent when he's been expressing himself perfectly clearly. His grasp of the language simply exceeds yours. Hell, in some instances you've even failed to understand the words you yourself are using. Anyone reading this thread has already seen it. It's embarrassing. I feel bad for your mother. You seem dumb, friend, really fucking dumb -- and no amount of projection will fix this.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your average German citizen is happier, healthier, and just generally better off than your average American citizen. I mean they actually exercise political control over their own government, that's a plus, right?

I don't think this statement is factually correct (the German government is currently fucking over its citizens by inviting millions of Syrians in and paying for their food and lodging), enlightening (if the Germans have more control over their government, it's probably because Germany is smaller and, until recently, more culturally homogeneous), or grammatically correct (it's a runon sentence) but it is completely coherent.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think this statement is factually correct (the German government is currently fucking over its citizens by inviting millions of Syrians in and paying for their food and lodging), enlightening (if the Germans have more control over their government, it's probably because Germany is smaller and, until recently, more culturally homogeneous), or grammatically correct (it's a runon sentence) but it is completely coherent.

As much as I disagree with the policy, I'm not sure I'd agree that Germany inviting in what amounts to 1.25% of its population completely fucks over the country to the extent that it's suddenly not "happier and healthier" than the US. It's still a drop in the bucket compared to the parallel societies we have going here in the US. Yes, 'happier' isn't a rigorous term, I'm only using it as a synthesis of all the various metrics for human welfare in which Germany surpasses the USA (HDI, GINI, life expectancy, education, corruption, social mobility, etc).

With regard to differences between the political systems of USA and Germany... it's complicated. Our problems date back to the 1700's and profound cultural and ideological differences between segments of our population, and it's an oversimplification of me to say "If we want to improve our political process, we should just copy Germany!". It's apples and oranges. But I do believe we have good options on the table, stuff like WolfPAC and real campaign finance / gerrymandering reform, and when I say we should be more like Germany, I mean we should fix our system so it works as well as theirs, not emulate their political process. I'm not convinced representative democracy can't work with 300 million people but can with 80 or 127 million. Heterogeneity is a real problem though.

That said, Germany is by no means perfect, and I think I use European systems too much as a way to demonstrate more leftist policies producing better outcomes. It's obviously a flawed and tired approach and there are dozens of things you can justifiably nitpick about it. It's just lazy.

[Jorgam]

I've got family in Bavaria. There are a lot of small towns in Germany still and when you drop 7k Syrians in a town that formerly had 1,500 living in it.. well it's going to obliterate the native culture. 7k Syrians in Berlin would be a drop in the bucket with minimal alteration to the parent culture.

[maerilith]

Originally Posted by Jorgam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've got family in Bavaria. There are a lot of small towns in Germany still and when you drop 7k Syrians in a town that formerly had 1,500 living in it.. well it's going to obliterate the native culture. 7k Syrians in Berlin would be a drop in the bucket with minimal alteration to the parent culture.

I don't think anyone sane would consider dropping 7k syrians on a town of 1500 with a totally alien culture.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by maerilith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think anyone sane would consider dropping 7k syrians on a town of 1500 with a totally alien culture.

May not be sane, but I think it happens.