Fighting dragons at ToV zonein

[Zekayy]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you die to an aoe zoning into ToV, probably shouldn't be zoning in to ToV.

[Zekayy]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It would be an equal chance, actually. Stacked windows would just make it easier because you'd know which days of the week are safe.



Seems like you shouldn't have to ask to make sure that the one room in which no mobs spawn - what used to be called the "safe area" - is safe.



It is not unreasonable to assume ToV entrance should be safe. Luckily for me, I could probably withstand any ToV dragon's AoEs without any heals, unlike most warm body Awakened/Aftermath scrubs, but I'm not always playing my characters. Sometimes you're on a low level anchor, sometimes you're on a low level ranger, etc.



Smart people also correctly assume that even if it was possible, it absolutely would not be acceptable to pull Trakanon to Sebilis' entrance and kill him there.

Nemce has brainwashed you

[Zekayy]

Originally Posted by Briscoe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's assume 25 targets that are killed in ToV per week, with each encounter taking 10 minutes. That is 250 minutes of ToV dragon killing, out of 10,080 minutes in a given week. So on a given zone-in, you have a 2.5% chance of zoning into an active encounter. That's actually a conservative estimate because not every encounter takes 10 minutes, and not every encounter happens at the zone-in, anyway (several are pulled to LTK). Thus, something approaching 1% is more accurate.

And I would disagree with your assertion that stacked up spawn windows makes no difference. My 1% estimate of zoning into an active encounter assumes a uniform probability distribution both for the spawn windows as well as your play time. Do you play this game at all hours? Do you zone in to ToV at 5AM as frequently as you zone in at 9PM? Probably not. That means that under the current ToV window situation, with everything in window on Mondays, you're going to have no chance of zoning into some of these dragons being killed because they will be killed while you're not home. So that fact is going to take our 1% number down significantly.

So you're upset over something that happens approximately 1% of the time. Even if you DO zone in during an active encounter, you really shouldn't die. Find someplace safe and hide, like half of the force killing the dragon is doing (e.g. the clerics).

You also keep trying to bolster your argument by adding in hypotheticals or things you just shouldn't be doing anyway, such as zoning in with low HP, or zoning in and then going AFK. How many times do you zone in to ToV at anything substantially less than full health? And why would you ever go AFK anywhere in ToV? You're just asking for trouble if you do that.

[paulgiamatti]

You guys have got to be kidding me. Yeah, because why would anyone else want to zone into ToV when a whole bunch of dragons spawn - when there's a massive chance that some dicks will be killing them at the entrance? I just can't imagine why.

And of course, the dumb neckbeards who do this religiously are the ones rushing to its defense, when it is absolutely 100% indefensible. No one wants to have to fucking dodge your stupid god damned dragon's AoE when they zone into ToV, and it's absolutely absurd that A/A can't muster the smallest ounce of consideration for other people and kill them at the west pad or just take 15 minutes out of their wall-staring to kill the first set of drakes and fight in the first hallway.

This doesn't affect me at all in any way whatsoever, I just think it's so insane how you idiots will come up with any reason under the sun to pretend it's totally not an inconvenience to anyone at all, when it fucking is. If I take a shit on your living room table for 1% of every week, I'm still shitting on your living room table.

[Zekayy]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys have got to be kidding me. Yeah, because why would anyone else want to zone into ToV when a whole bunch of dragons spawn - when there's a massive chance that some dicks will be killing them at the entrance? I just can't imagine why.

And of course, the dumb neckbeards who do this religiously are the ones rushing to its defense, when it is absolutely 100% indefensible. No one wants to have to fucking dodge your stupid god damned dragon's AoE when they zone into ToV, and it's absolutely absurd that A/A can't muster the smallest ounce of consideration for other people and kill them at the west pad or just take 15 minutes out of your wall-staring to kill the first set of drakes and fight in the first hallway.

This doesn't affect me at all in any way whatsoever, I just think it's so insane how you idiots will come up with any reason under the sun to pretend it's totally not an inconvenience to anyone at all, when it fucking is. If I take a shit on your living room table for 1% of every week, I'm still shitting on your living room table.

The reason we fight where we do is beacause every guild fights at west zoneout and when 200+ people in the zone in all stack you begin to desynch it happened before when bda and rampage and forsaken were in the zone so please know what your talking about before you speak again

[Zekayy]

But again what does csg know? nothing

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which dragon does a 500dmg aoe every 6 seconds in tov? the only reason you would be zoning into TOV is if you belong to some guild that is raiding a part of it. How hard is it to ask the other people in your guild if it is safe to zone in first?



please show me proof of people being banned on live for killing Ntov dragons at the zone in.

They weren't. Devs rooted dragons to avoid it and put leash range on mobs. Guilds killed dragons at zone in up until those changes were made. Then of course Call of the Zero was added.

[arsenalpow]

Vote with your feet, stop getting shit on by the server minority, go find your fun raiding elsewhere because it won't be found on p99.

[paulgiamatti]

Oh boohoo, people desyncing at the west the zone out pad. What a tragedy.

Last I checked BDA disintegrated, lots of Rampage quit, and literally the only two guilds locking down ToV are Awakened and Aftermath. Seems like a pretty simple thing to fix, unless you're a total asshole who just doesn't give a shit about other players, that is.

And I'm not in CSG, dumbass. And the bar for "knowing what you're talking about" is set by your standards of decency and consideration for other players who just want to enjoy their elf sim nostalgia trip like everyone else. Not by knowing about some unimportant desync clusterfuck that happened once upon a time in Neckbeardia.

[paulgiamatti]

Yeah, I mean this shit is why I have no interest in raiding here anymore. Not the AoEing at ToV entrance - that's just a tiny, microscopic sliver - but just the attitude of A/A raiders making the raid scene completely unenjoyable and a total waste of time. So obstinate and unwilling to compromise on anything. And it's a giant fucking echo chamber in those guilds, I'm sure.