Rules Clarification Request - Page 5

grannock · #41 03-31-2017, 01:59 PM

I for 1 think its good that we have a gm who is around and can deal with issues. It aint easy being a cop, give him a break till he figures out whats what.

Andrei Chikatilo · #42 03-31-2017, 01:59 PM

This isn't KC anymore and you're not in Kunark gear anymore.

Quit being a spaghetti boned fruitcake.

We can give him a break but he's going to dramatically alter the server rules based on whining from a new "top guild". Sebilis is still marked as an FFA zone, worry about/fix that first.

El Camacho · #43 03-31-2017, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by hurt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Denying guerilla warfare is a shame. Training is one thing, but dispelling should be allowed regardless of numbers. When are we getting the FTE ruleset?

I was thinking of how to bring this up as Cylock may only be seeing the disposable nakeds running in to engage in PvE alone to dispell a mob.

He may not be aware of the sacrifices that some of the smaller groups here are willing to make in effort to see their enemies perish. Running in against unwinnable odds to disrupt the CH chain, dispell the tank/mob and such. True heroes of the people.

I think Cylock is smart enough to see the difference, but it wouldn't hurt to have him share some thoughts.

heartbrand · #44 03-31-2017, 02:25 PM

This ruling opens up a lot of potential PetitionQuest. Is harassing a raid with a few people attacking clerics now illegal? What about if 2-3 groups harass a raid on AoW? Those groups are not capable of killing the mob, is that therefore raid disruption and illegal? The goal with rules should typically be to eliminate as much judgment calls and grey areas as possible, but this ruling seems to open up the door for a lot of PetitionQuest of what is considered a force or not a force, i.e., having 30 people camped out while someone pells, or having people in an adjoining zone, etc.

GradnerLives · #45 03-31-2017, 02:27 PM

Some rules just don't scale either.

Intentional XP loss at level 45 is very annoying. At level 60 you'd almost prefer to die to mobs than give the satisfaction of YT in most cases. It's a rule that's designed to protect players that are levelling from having their progress negated, not shield max level raid forces from PVP.

Being a part of a smaller group you should be able to prevent a larger force from gearing up. It's one of the only ways you can fight back since you can't necessarily face them head on at full strength.

Retticus · #46 03-31-2017, 02:34 PM

If you are standing next to a zoneout and you think a mob is going to agro you and hurt you in away way, I'd reco zoning.

Pikrib · #47 03-31-2017, 02:35 PM

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Rather discuss the situation in someone's guild recruitment:

Ragnarok attempted to train mobs AWAY to create a clear path for entire guild to run up to Apex guild at HoT zone out. A trainer died and the bulk of the train was let go on top of Ragnarok running through.

This hurt Ragnarok more than it hurt Apex.

Nobody was intentionally training. In fact, we were going out of our ways to prevent training in favor of clean Player versus Player combat.

Team Apex will spin it to invoke CSR involvement and punishment, but it should be very obvious if Cylock was watching us do the trial multi monk coordinated train-aways from entrance, what the intent was.

Also don't forget this is EverQuest. It's an open world game and that means shit happens.

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Our goal was to engage the players hiding behind mobs hoping to avoid pvp. We had no aggro until fully commiting after the drop down.

Retti said that the train was accidentally dropped on Apex players coming to PVP and Jeni said that the Apex was hiding behind mobs. If they were hiding behind mobs then how were they coming to PVP. In the future please get your elf stories straight.

When we figure out which one of you has committed elf perjury they will be sentenced to 5 years in Najena getting ass raped by Rathyl.

GradnerLives · #48 03-31-2017, 02:36 PM

For example:

Someone roots a kiting bard: no one cares because they put themselves in that situation with the possibility of pvp.

Someone dispells a chanter pet: no one cares because they put themselves in that situation with the possibility of pvp.

Someone dispells a slowed raid mob: suspend them for a week.

Seems backwards given that the first two are almost guaranteed to cause XP loss to a levelling character who has no recourse or defense besides maybe running away. In the last case you're essentially rendering a raid force untouchable unless you have 7+ people when their XP loss is basically meaningless to 99% of their players by comparison to the first two.

Retticus · #49 03-31-2017, 02:38 PM

Next person to fear my mage pet when NPCs are around is getting slammed by Cylock.

Andrei Chikatilo · #50 03-31-2017, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Pikrib [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Retti said that the train was accidentally dropped on Apex players coming to PVP and Jeni said that the Apex was hiding behind mobs. If they were hiding behind mobs then how were they coming to PVP. In the future please get your elf stories straight.

When we figure out which one of you has committed elf perjury they will be sentenced to 5 years in Najena getting ass raped by Rathyl.

This guy is the funniest person ever man WEW