Project 1999 Red Discord Server

[Nirgon]

It takes one or two deaths for your average blue snow flake to uninstall their operating system and hold their breath until they pass out

These are the same people that melt down if you inspect them or say you should pay for a port or get mad if you remind them they should haste the group as a shaman

[Buhbuh]

I could elaborate on the inventive ways that people grief each other on (or off) this server using non-traditional avenues but it would be dizzying and take way too long and have ultimately no effect on anything.

Red server is more political than it is Everquest. Logic doesn't apply.

[Beastagoog]

New players that get grief (which we all did when we started) try to level the meta path.

1-10 newbie zone
10-25 unrest
25-40 mm
40-50 CoM
50+ solb

In unrest, mm, CoM, and solb are your highest concentration of twinks. So you gotta think outside the blubie meta mindset to level.

For the most part low level twinks generally are players that cant kick it at 60 i.e die alot (think players like Hekktor or Sixx both great geared rogues who are meh players ) so their only resolve is to make twinks and gain a massive mechanical advantage over new players and sit and wait.

Sixx was griefing new players by having a toon in the nub leveling guild and finding out where they were leveling then getting his monk/buffed ported to them (probably thru boxing half the time).

This is griefing and a reason why the server pop is low as most probably his behaviour forced a few people not want to play red99.

Now you multiply that by the 10-15 people that have done the same thing over the past years and boom the pop is -100 already.

Having a twink in mm and logging in once a day to pvp isnt really grief, there is a huge difference. I have leveled a few toons in my time (8+ level 55s) and most mm twinks are there to have fun, get some kills then bounce. Players that go out of their way to sit on groups till they break up and people log out is where the problem is.

I've said it since day one, and it stays true till now. If you don't give new people a chance to enjoy the red99 server for it's PvE spiced up with a bit of PvP then they just simply stop playing because of the various griefing twinks. When I starter playing I had people root me on naked runs then agro mobs and root them next to me to xp kill me but I pushed thru and found it to be a fun server albiet super low pop.

On red99's the super griefers (players like Sixx) are the main reason this server is 100-120pop at peak because they deny potential players a chance to enjoy the server when they first join just to pad some imaginary score on a leaderboard.

(It is another reason why yt's shouldn't even be announced till 55+ that is the players both have to be 55-60 for a YT to be announced)

[Tassador]

You do realize there is as many good players on blue as there playing on red. They just don't understand the mechanics. This lorman guy looks like a forever newb.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I could elaborate on the inventive ways that people grief each other on (or off) this server using non-traditional avenues but it would be dizzying and take way too long and have ultimately no effect on anything.

we have been deprived

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Servant [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All of this aside, I really think you overestimate the amount of griefing that occurs here from 1-55. 56+ yeah, it can be rough sometimes, but at 56+ you can also join Apex or Ragnarok and have basically half the server's pvpers on your side.

Did you know... *long list of great Red tricks*

Here's the thing: new players don't know any of that, and more importantly none of that is relevant when you're trying to get your level 2 necromancer to level 3 in the Field of Bone and some douche with a fungi keeps killing you. Red is a bag full of players, and every griefer is a hole in that bag. Blue is a bag without holes, and unsurprisingly it keeps more players.

You can insult new players for not knowing how to PvP fight, but all the PvP knowledge in the world won't help against Mr. Fungi. You can talk about loot and scoot, but new players won't know about it, and even if they did with or without their corpse they still can't take on the fungi. And you can talk about camping and waiting for him to go away, bit no one in their right mind thinks that's fun. All those thing don't matter, because at that point Red has already lost another player.

Now you can insult those players all you want. You can call them weak or stupid, or anything else, but at the end of the day insulting people for leaving won't make them stay. All I'm saying is instead of thinking like veteran Red players and looking for reasons why everyone else is a loser who doesn't deserve to play on Red in the first place, maybe y'all could try having a little empathy for what it must be like to start on Red. If you want to improve the population that is.

Originally Posted by Tassador [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This lorman guy looks like a forever newb.

C'mon, at least spell my damn name right.

[Servant]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's the thing: new players don't know any of that, and more importantly none of that is relevant when you're trying to get your level 2 necromancer to level 3 in the Field of Bone and some douche with a fungi keeps killing you. Red is a bag full of players, and every griefer is a hole in that bag. Blue is a bag without holes, and unsurprisingly it keeps more players.

New players also don't know that you might eat 2 harmtouches from mobs immediately upon zoning into HS, but I have faith they can learn. Have you ever actually seen a fungi twink in field of bone? I mean .. really?!? If that's what happened to you, then you are stressing over an EXTREMELY fringe case - it's rare I see ANYONE in FoB, let alone a fungi twink.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can insult new players for not knowing how to PvP fight, but all the PvP knowledge in the world won't help against Mr. Fungi. You can talk about loot and scoot, but new players won't know about it, and even if they did with or without their corpse they still can't take on the fungi. And you can talk about camping and waiting for him to go away, bit no one in their right mind thinks that's fun. All those thing don't matter, because at that point Red has already lost another player.

If you use LNS, a very detailed description of which can be found pinned at the top of these forums, there'd be very little relevance as to whether you could subsequently take out the twink - it'd be a violation of LNS to try. There are play nice policies that it behooves you to learn and understand on the blue server as well, right? Also, I haven't uttered even a tiny insult - these 10 guys you see with thousands of forum posts, they troll all day long, and in /ooc too - You don't know how to ignore trolls or something? Maybe they're right about your overly delicate sensibilities. I never once had to camp out of pvp, either. You act as if fringe scenarios are the regular scene, and that's just bullshit. Use your head and the impact of griefers on your r99 career will be practically nil. We've probably spent as much time on this conversation as I've spent being actively griefed on red, and I have hundreds of cumulative character levels.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now you can insult those players all you want. You can call them weak or stupid, or anything else, but at the end of the day insulting people for leaving won't make them stay. All I'm saying is instead of thinking like veteran Red players and looking for reasons why everyone else is a loser who doesn't deserve to play on Red in the first place, maybe y'all could try having a little empathy for what it must be like to start on Red. If you want to improve the population that is.

"you" being the aforementioned 10-20 trolls. As if there's no fkin trolls on blue - they just have different subject matter, and give you the shaft in a different way. Grow a pair, buddy.

[MiRo2]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's the thing: new players don't know any of that, and more importantly none of that is relevant when you're trying to get your level 2 necromancer to level 3 in the Field of Bone and some douche with a fungi keeps killing you.

I've yet to see or hear about fungi twinks hanging out in newbie zones, I've also not heard of them hanging out in CB or Unrest(remember we have server wide OOC someone would say something about it), but it wouldn't surprise me if it happened occasionally there.

Most of the ones that are common in the leveling path MM, CoM, etc will hit you once ever couple hours or so, which comes out to about twice before your out of range to them again.

PvP happens to new players, but its not as game ending as people seem to want to believe it is.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Servant [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Grow a pair, buddy.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can call them weak or stupid, or anything else, but at the end of the day insulting people for leaving won't make them stay.

See this is what just isn't getting through. It's not about me, it's not about my "pair", and it's not about (just) my own personal experience on Red (which, by the way, was that exact FoB/fungi scenario, although to be fair it happened something like a year ago).

What it's about is the new blood: Red doesn't have any, and that's why the population sucks. My experience with the fungi griefer in FoB may be relatively unique, but getting griefed off the server shortly after trying it isn't ... at least if you extrapolate from all the other stories in the "come try Red" threads. And for every player who gets griefed off, you can be pretty sure that several others will also get scared away when the first guy shares his experience in the next "try Red" thread Swish creates.

Originally Posted by MiRo2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

PvP happens to new players, but its not as game ending as people seem to want to believe it is.

I know griefing isn't Red's only problem, but it seems like a big one to me. If the new blood isn't being scared off the server by griefing, what is scaring them away then? Genuine question, not rhetorical.

[Rapidwave]

People exaggerate twinks so much. That isn't the problem with Red at all imo.

Red is stale as fuck and no new player should roll here. The server is dead, 1-50 is a single player game and the end game isn't much better. Who wants to play Everquest of all games solo?

The end game is just one big clique of 2 sides that alternate for years. Look at the forums, it's 15 people that post nonsense and all type with the same phrases.

Server has to be wiped to get some fresh blood in here but that will never happen. Team server would be worse after the hype wears off. Let it rot and let the junkies enjoy their 40 pop box