Question for the transgender people on this forum

[loramin]

Originally Posted by hyejin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And I can't see 8 year olds on hormones ever passing the gut check

I agree with Hyejin that 8-year olds with hormones is absolutely unnecessary and doesn't pass the "gut check", but look, is this really worth worrying about compared to every other horrible thing that happens to children in America? For instance, every year like 15,000 children are brought in to America for sex slavery. That's not the number of child prostitutes currently in America, that's the number brought in and added to the countless existing child prostitutes.

In contrast there were what: two kids that were given transgender drugs by their parents at a young age last year? Twenty? Even if there were a thousand, it'd still be a drop in the bucket, and it'd still be a hell of a lot better than being prostituted. This makes me think that all this passion about 8-year olds with hormones has a lot less to do with caring about kids, and a lot more with wanting to enforce a particular world view.

Humans have a finite amount of energy to devote to caring about things, and for me giving hormones to a handful of 8-year-olds just doesn't rate compared to thousand and thousands of children suffering sexual abuse on a daily basis. Maybe all you trans-haters could save some of that outrage and empathy for the children who are actually suffering, and not just whatever offends your sensibilities at the moment?

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[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexuality

Then again, apparently evidence of a biological basis actually causes bigots to be more bigoted, not less, so maybe I shouldn't have bothered with the above: https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/20...sis-for-gender

There is also evidence for structural differences in the brains of transgendered people causing them to more closely resemble the sex they identify with than the one they were born as, as well as evidence that in vitro androgen exposure levels play a role.

The truth is there are no absolute divisions. There are distributions with varying degrees of overlap and rather than simply throw binary divisions out the window people would rather fight over where the line is. maybe that is important, i don't know and don't care.

We almost always gender people based on secondary sex characteristics and behavior so it baffles me why outside of romantic interest the average stranger would care what's in another's pants. It's not liek we all walk around in crotchless zentai.

[Fasttimes]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is also evidence for structural differences in the brains of transgendered people causing them to more closely resemble the sex they identify with than the one they were born as, as well as evidence that in vitro androgen exposure levels play a role.

The truth is there are no absolute divisions. There are distributions with varying degrees of overlap and rather than simply throw binary divisions out the window people would rather fight over where the line is. maybe that is important, i don't know and don't care.

We almost always gender people based on secondary sex characteristics and behavior so it baffles me why outside of romantic interest the average stranger would care what's in another's pants. It's not liek we all walk around in crotchless zentai.

Don't crotchless shame me.

[branamil]

You're asking this community? Next you might wanna head to your nearest tractor pull for a worldly perspective on feminism.

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexuality

Then again, apparently evidence of a biological basis actually causes bigots to be more bigoted, not less, so maybe I shouldn't have bothered with the above: https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/20...sis-for-gender

dang lor, I love ya pal but you're fallin into all the libtard tropes.

not wanting to talk about science out of fear of it supporting biggoted views by some stranger overhearing, drawing arbitrary lines between different social constructs to protect skin colors from eachother (aka give libcucks a right to shame someone for not fitting their mold).

Its all Antifa berkely nonthink libtardification that created these ideas my friend.

Be careful, dont dumb yourself down and take away your own right to free speech (or even worse, thought) because you're afraid some random redneck is going to think you talking about science somehow justifies his racist bull shit.

Rise above. Talk about the facts. Dont ignore them cus you're afraid of raycism.

that said, unless you are gay or straight or in between, everything you are doing is simply putting on makeup. Whether its lipstick for people who think girls look cool or tattered flannal shirts for those rustic folk that think manly men have the best style.

Put on whatever makeup you want, but don't go crying when someone calls you a whore for using too much rouge or a fat ass for looking like your average football male.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by mickmoranis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

dang lor, I love ya pal but you're fallin into all the libtard tropes.

not wanting to talk about science out of fear of it supporting biggoted views by some stranger overhearing, drawing arbitrary lines between different social constructs to protect skin colors from eachother (aka give libcucks a right to shame someone for not fitting their mold).

Its all Antifa berkely nonthink libtardification that created these ideas my friend.

Be careful, dont dumb yourself down and take away your own right to free speech (or even worse, thought) because you're afraid some random redneck is going to think you talking about science somehow justifies his racist bull shit.

Rise above. Talk about the facts. Dont ignore them cus you're afraid of raycism.

that said, unless you are gay or straight or in between, everything you are doing is simply putting on makeup. Whether its lipstick for people who think girls look cool or tattered flannal shirts for those rustic folk that think manly men have the best style.

Put on whatever makeup you want, but don't go crying when someone calls you a whore for using too much rouge or a fat ass for looking like your average football male.

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[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We almost always gender people based on secondary sex characteristics and behavior so it baffles me why outside of romantic interest the average stranger would care what's in another's pants. It's not liek we all walk around in crotchless zentai.

My perspective is the typical human judges others and when they determine the judged are different than themselves their natural reaction is to distrust and dislike. It doesn't matter that the judged pose no danger, the fact they are different is enough to justify persecution.

I never considered much of what you wrote on earlier, but that was deep when you mentioned how it felt when the minority supported the transgender granting them validation of their feelings yet this only causes more pain by highlighting the fact the majority still will never accept them regardless of such validation. Paraphrasing as best I can from memory here, but that's how I understood it.

Honestly I wish Csihar would have just asked the question he had in mind directly, then the thread would at least have a more concrete base to build from. Naturally the thread will be derailed because this is a complex topic, no idea how politics worked its way into it though.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by hyejin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yeah the pitch falls apart with young'ns. I haven't figured out an apologia for it yet so I'm leaning toward "it's immoral", too. The practice hurts our brand & should be discouraged. On the other hand, ideal results do mean starting younger.

perhaps a secondary arbitrary age of consent for this. between 14 and 16? I can say I have observed firsthand that I was ready by this time. And I can't see 8 year olds on hormones ever passing the gut check.

As for adjusting your cartoon arbitrary assertion that a particular social role must correlate with something chemically predetermined, a large stick will do better than emotional tugging. Regardless of any principled debate what you just said will be rendered equivalent to use of "the n word" in short order. That'll handle everything but your clueless interior monologue. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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[Mead]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexuality

Then again, apparently evidence of a biological basis actually causes bigots to be more bigoted, not less, so maybe I shouldn't have bothered with the above: https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/20...sis-for-gender

I try to avoid referencing Wikipedia for any scientific facts. Although, I do not disagree. What does science tell us about transsexuality? Most of the stuff I've read has shown structural differences at the genetic/cellular level

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