Some Questions About the UN and Federation

[Nuggie]

Originally Posted by Kahan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

EVERYBODY is bitching about Lineage camping Tranix...


NOBODY seems to give a fuck about SEAL TEAM monopolizing Ishva Mal.


WHICH one of you guilds is getting past island 4 in the first couple weeks, eh? EH??? WHICH ONE OF YOU?

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[Nuggie]

Originally Posted by alkalinesky [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is this narrative that the strongest guild on this server is overly benevolent in their willingness to share rotated content with the underling guilds. They “graciously” share the less desirable content of the game with “far lesser” players who, in the dominant narrative, would never have a chance otherwise. Who knows, maybe they’re right. Maybe they could simply hold down all raid content 24-7 and force other guilds to kill orcs in Oasis at level 50 endlessly.

Or, maybe, this narrative serves a purpose to guide the server in such a way that this dominance is never challenged. We all know what our experience has been when there is a challenge for any 7-day content the dominant guild doesn’t want to lose. If they don’t just steamroll it outright, there are endless fraps and endless petitions and endless lawyer quests. They are happy with competition – to a point - as long as it is perfectly executed according to their standards. Any moves upward or outward of the box they have created for the server is seen as an existential threat to their status quo.

But the question for guilds like ours is; why do we continue to perpetuate a system that grants a sense of legitimacy to the dominant guild’s motivations and true intentions? Why do we allow this narrative of benevolence and inferiority to continue unchallenged? We decided not to. As I stated elsewhere, we are more than happy to lose fairly. I'd rather lose on our terms than win on theirs. And we will work to become stronger, more competitive, and more connected in the process. We look forward to the challenge.

Your forum join date is quite recent, given the history of the server. Before you joined, many years ago now, there was a guild called The Mystical Order. They kept kunark content locked down for 5 years(The details are becomming foggy now, IB had it until VP launched something like 2 years after kunark opened then TMO locked it down. Someone with a better memory correct the details please). by locked down I mean probably 97% of all spawns. 24/7.

I predict this will happen again if player agreed rotations fall. Believe me when I say I understand your point of view. I lived it for every week of Blue's history from the third week of launch until about 3 years ago when I quit Blue. The only reason it was broken is because Rogean, and probably the rest of the CSR team at the time, created the Class C/R/FFA system. This allowed us casual scum guilds to get actual raiding experience on the encounters with P99 formulas.

Good luck with the struggle Lineage. I wish you the best. I will attend your funeral when the time comes.

[Fammaden]

Originally Posted by Nuggie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your forum join date is quite recent, given the history of the server. Before you joined, many years ago now, there was a guild called The Mystical Order. They kept kunark content locked down for 5 years(The details are becomming foggy now, IB had it until VP launched something like 2 years after kunark opened then TMO locked it down. Someone with a better memory correct the details please). by locked down I mean probably 97% of all spawns. 24/7.

I predict this will happen again if player agreed rotations fall. Believe me when I say I understand your point of view

What player agreed rotations? The ones involving mobs that respawn every 8 hours? That's all that exists. There's not going to be any rotations on Kunark raid mobs just like there aren't now on Naggy/Vox/Inny/CT. And ST is poised to monopolize all that.

I'm not attacking ST for that per se, but any green raider outside of ST who is hoping for Kunark to allow them to be more competitive (there are a lot who believe this) are in for a rude awakening.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Fammaden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...hoping for Kunark to allow them to be more competitive (there are a lot who believe this) are in for a rude awakening.

History repeats: I remember the same hopes on P1999 from circa 2010. Boy were they in for a shock.

Velious opened things up somewhat because the top guilds could no longer monopolize all the top content as well as the secondary targets--they had to pick and choose to some extent--so other guilds started getting some stuff albeit not usually the very best. I expect guilds on P1999-green might burn out a little more quickly after Velious opens and the Sleeper is awakened than they did on Blue because they'll know they'll be approaching the end of Green's lifecycle with the next variant of "green" on its way. We'll see.

Danth

[Bones]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

History repeats: I remember the same hopes on P1999 from circa 2010. Boy were they in for a shock.

Velious opened things up somewhat because the top guilds could no longer monopolize all the top content as well as the secondary targets--they had to pick and choose to some extent--so other guilds started getting some stuff albeit not usually the very best. I expect guilds on P1999-green might burn out a little more quickly after Velious opens and the Sleeper is awakened than they did on Blue because they'll know they'll be approaching the end of Green's lifecycle with the next variant of "green" on its way. We'll see.

Danth

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[maskedmelon]

How much longer on green until kunark? Do I have time to make a character and get to 50 before it launches if I play like 2hr per night?

[Tankwipe]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How much longer on green until kunark? Do I have time to make a character and get to 50 before it launches if I play like 2hr per night?

http://wiki.project1999.com/Timeline
11/6 according to wiki. Should be plenty of time imo

[Elijah850]

or dont, just making sure you see what you are in plain english. Flame away if u mad.

[Cawin]

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[Albanwr]

Nice troll thread, but i'll bite and give my opinion

1) Were we really this soft in 1999? Was most of the content on a scheduled rotation and will it be the same in Kunark and Velious?

I was not more or less soft 20 years ago. I was just younger and had different goals, and the drive for loot was paramount. I played on Veeshan and pretty much all raid targets were locked down by FoH and Mr. Furor Planedefiler himself. He was very competitive and knew his stuff. But we needed help to get out of a bad CR in fear and he stepped up and helped us. He knew community mattered, and helped when the call went out.

2) What would happen if <Seal Team> left the UN and locked everything down? What would happen if your guild isn’t able to run a Tranix Crown through its DKP system?

the petition queue would be a nightmare for the CS Staff is pretty much what would happen.

3) I’ve never seen a top server guild share so much content. When ST kills Phinny on an earthquake why does the rest of the UN start curing? Were we really this soft in 1999?

Not sure what this question even means.

4) Do you think the original developers intended end game content to be competitive or shared in a modified TLP format?


A lot of the stuff in the game was decided by the players, the devs just put stuff there and the players did what the players did.