Fate of P99 blue

[Knuckle]

well assuming salty forms up his own squad, we will be hard pressed against fish bait sized guilds regardless of skill. also, you can bet we will be spending our time reaching the top first, the best items aren't found at level 10 or 20. Granted we may have to fight for control of the best leveling/farming areas, but that's the point. There is no gang of elite guildplayers rolling around crushing peoples souls. We focus on winning.

[fiegi]

Originally Posted by Doors [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

umad?

Bullying newbies? Fucktards from garage box are going to form up and rapesquad the entire red99 playerbase. I don't even blame them because it would be hilarious, but nobody is going to play if its like that.

50% of the VZTZ community can't stand the other 50% of the VZTZ playerbase. Considering we had maybe 70 players last box, I hardly see a rapesquad of 30 ppl max ruling the entire box if the population is even close to what its assumed to be at.

Teams would suck, arguing who has the rights to kill a raid mob is lol's, isn't that the reason why its a pvp server to determine who's mob it really is?

[wehrmacht]

Originally Posted by Knuckle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

well assuming salty forms up his own squad

<Too Big to Fail> would be the best choice

Originally Posted by Knuckle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you don't make it FFA here is what happens:

VZTZ 'clique' rolls one team.
You guys get facefucked 10x harder making team imbalance 10x worse.

It's the exact opposite. Whoever starts with a guild of 30 people on day 1 automatically wins the server under FFA. FFA is easy mode for zerg guilds.

If you level a bunch of people to 50 real fast and run to do Nagafen, on a FFA server you might have to fight one other guild at the most before you kill it. On a teams server, you would have to kill multiple guilds and also random stragglers in zone from that team as well. Everything is easier for zergers under FFA.

[Prince]

except that killing nagafen once doesn't equal winning the server

[Doors]

I kind of agree with dumbass worm, another solid point about how shitty FFA is.

[pasi]

A lot of the VZTZ people seem to think that no matter what type of server is launched, there is going to be a large, steady population. Neither teams nor FFA rule type will straight up result in the server dying, but with FFA - you can count on (for the most part) very few 'new' people playing the server.

Solutions to team based servers have been addressed a bunch of times - hardcoded no x-teaming, FFA PvP in zones with raid targets/peak-level interest, all classes available to BOTH teams, etc.

Admittedly, there's still some issues such as zones adjacent to raid targets and a potential lopsided population balance, but the gains outweigh these.

For what it's worth, I don't plan on playing on the server anymore as playing EQ for a week reminded me of how slow the PvP and game in general are.

[wehrmacht]

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[Doors]

Heres a scenario thats basically guaranteed to happen if red99 is faction-team based:

Guild A is good
Guild B is good
Guild C is evil

Naggy spawns. Guild A and B arrive at the same time.
Neither guild will agree to work together to down naggy as both think they can do it alone.
Guild A moves out, telling guild B to fuck off and letting guild C know they're clear to shit all over guild B.
Guild C moves in, wipes guild B out, guild A moves back in and finishes off guild C as they regroup.
Guild A downs naggy. Great forum reading material appears on p99 boards for the next month.
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Theres a hundred different ways you can deal with same faction bullshit on a team based box. FFA, yeah, you can just kill whoever, but realistically everyones going to mass in one guild and run shit a year at least. That and you'll get people from p99 who aren't pvp savvy like myself, will get camped and ragequit ---> back to p99 they go.

Faction based is the shit, and will make red99 awesome. Either way, if red99 does happen, we should all just be happy regardless. Judging by the success of p99, a pvp box hosted by the same devs has a good chance to be really successful, and a red box is better than no box. amirite.

[mimixownzall]

Originally Posted by Knuckle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you don't make it FFA here is what happens:

VZTZ 'clique' rolls one team.
You guys get facefucked 10x harder making team imbalance 10x worse.

-or-

you leave it FFA, VZTZ rolls its own guild. Any and all comers can have a shot at us, with no chance for coattail riding pvp immunity bullshit because your the same race/diety.

Knuckle spitting the truth. FFA = Server Longevity

Team imballance? You're stupid.

Here is how it will go: Look! We are on the same team as those douchebags, lets reroll to the other team!

Happened a lot on SZ.

Or, it will be like this (on FFA): Man, Heresy (just using heresy for this example) is owning, let's all join up and make a super competing guild and call it Orthodoxy! Sweet! Heresy sees Orthodoxy's numbers and starts beefing up its numbers to match them. Now we have 2 major guilds making up a total of 90% of the server population! Well, shit... THIS MIGHT AS WELL BE A TEAMS SERVER!

One difference: Instead of people guild hopping (which could cause some unforseen drama), they would just re-roll to the other team, which, in turn, would bolster the lower level population helping newcomers.

I mean, think about it. If p99 were a PVP server (please, keep the bluebie noob bullshit comments out), the smaller raiding guilds wouldn't exist. Guilds like Dozekar, TMO, VD, BDE and such would have to consolidate their forces to compete with TR. You might get 3 total big-number guilds. And that is on a server that will probably have at least twice the population as red99.

Believe me, I WANT red99 to succeed and teams is the best way for that to happen. You guys know that you will need people to stay on the server who aren't as 'hardcore' as the VZTZ guys seem/claim to be, and teams is the best way to keep these people on the server.

[Haul]

Originally Posted by fiegi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

50% of the VZTZ community can't stand the other 50% of the VZTZ playerbase. Considering we had maybe 70 players last box, I hardly see a rapesquad of 30 ppl max ruling the entire box if the population is even close to what its assumed to be at.

Teams would suck, arguing who has the rights to kill a raid mob is lol's, isn't that the reason why its a pvp server to determine who's mob it really is?

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