Wizard fix

[eqravenprince]

Originally Posted by ReoDobbs [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What? So we're just picking lvl 49 spells to make our point? Wizard spells get more and more mana efficient for a wiz post 50. Mage's strongest point in the game is 39-49

Let's try actually making a comparison of end game:

Wizards highest nuke=4.0 dpm
Mage's highest nuke=3.1 dpm

This is before taking into effect that most mages are going to be specialized in Conjuration and most Wizards Evocations so the mana efficiency even goes more lopsided towards the wizard than the above numbers. In general things also tend to have higher fire resistances than cold resistances.

What a sketchy way to try to prove your point...

Interesting that you point out my sketchy way that covers levels 1-50 but your way is not sketchy that covers end game. Way to go, pot calling the kettle black.

[starkind]

I'm going to argue that luclin had the best AAs and best class balance of every expansion. And the entire game should be balanced around luclin ! (this was the point prior to the immense stat/aa bloat of pop and over complexification/grind that Time required).

I think the simple addition of a high DPM/mid range dps (sustained) spell line for wizard would solve their problems with group desirability cuz all anyone seems to care about is 'sustained dps'.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by eqravenprince [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Interesting that you point out my sketchy way that covers levels 1-50 but your way is not sketchy that covers end game. Way to go, pot calling the kettle black.

Lol I agree. Like “oh wizards are much better at end game so you should totally take my crappy wizard in your group all the way from level 1 until then”

[ReoDobbs]

Originally Posted by eqravenprince [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Interesting that you point out my sketchy way that covers levels 1-50 but your way is not sketchy that covers end game. Way to go, pot calling the kettle black.

Good to see you've come to your sense and stopped trying to argue the ridiculous claim you attempted to make in the first place.

[ReoDobbs]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol I agree. Like “oh wizards are much better at end game so you should totally take my crappy wizard in your group all the way from level 1 until then”

The whole point that is being argued is that he thinks mages without a pet are better than Wizard for a group. Throughout 1-48 and 50-60 the dpm difference is much more extreme than the ONE data point he purposely chose.

A mage, which has a pet, is almost always going to be the better pick. That's not where the dude went though.

[starkind]

if u ever seen a full on geared out lvl 60 wizard with like torpor level gears like the effort put in for epic, and all that stuff u would be like hmmm 'thats kind of a cool and interesting class'

problem is everyone remembers naked newbie wizards from like lvl 30 in guk lol

You should make wizard friends just as hard as u make torp shaman and enchanter/cleric friends

[Jibartik]

I feel like wizards should have been more of a group buff class.

Like a bard but more wizardy some how.

And just leave their DPS alone.

Funny, basically Im saying give them C instead of enchanter.

But think about how like, in LOTR gandalf is just providing support really, lighting up the room.

Wizards should have had something idk, to make them have more of that DnD feel of having magical utility spells

I guess they tried to do that with magicians but nobody needs bags that eat their gear lol

Maybe an ability to summon group members from different zones like a COTH+ would have been cool, or to be able to warp to party members, and then warp them back to the group if they got stuck pulling im sure a version of COTH in mistmoore levels would be helpful.

/warp mq2 spell would have been rad for them.

[eqravenprince]

Originally Posted by ReoDobbs [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good to see you've come to your sense and stopped trying to argue the ridiculous claim you attempted to make in the first place.

No, is it really that ridiculous? I still believe a petless magician > wizard levels 1-50. Nukes are practically the same. So the comparison is do you believe root is worth more than DS, Malo, Summoned Items.

[Vivitron]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess they tried to do that with magicians but nobody needs bags that eat their gear lol

As long as we're fixing things let's make no rent bags leave their contents on your cursor instead of eating them.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But think about how like, in LOTR gandalf is just providing support really, lighting up the room.

This is more due to the nature of Gandalf though. He’s not really a wizard, and he’s not human. He’s an angelic being, and his “powers” are more divine than magical. Because of this, he’s restricted to not using his power to cause direct change to Middle Earth. Instead his role is meant to be more of a guide/advisor, and to encourage others to do the right thing. When he does use his powers, he deliberately only uses the bare minimum amount needed to accomplish his goal