As a christian.

[aussenseiter]

Originally Posted by Seducio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait wait. Your argument that you weren't able say yourself and instead had a youtube video say for you is that some gods are counterfeit and some gods are not counterfeit?

Huh?

'It's Easier to Fool People Than to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled' - Mark Twain

I'm a monkey who learned to use tools, am I not? 🙄

[Lune]

Satan as a concept is super cool though so score 1 for Christians

And also score 1 for Mark Twain

[Seducio]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Satan as a concept is super cool though so score 1 for Christians

Pretty sure the Gnostics created that and the other Christians killed them for it.

Also most modern Chistians understand of the bible as a version is closer to Milton's Paradise Lost as compared to what the original writers said in the gospels written in aramaic.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Seducio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty sure the Gnostics created that and the other Christians killed them for it.

Also most modern Chistians understand of the bible as a version is closer to Milton's Paradise Lost as compared to what the original writers said in the gospels written in aramaic.

That would be a product of the immense amount of telephone that got played with Christianity in the West, and particularly the US; from a Roman cult, to catholicism, to protestantism and all its variations for the germanic and nordic cultures, carried across the Atlantic in the hands of religious dissidents to eventually go through the Great Awakening and become evangelicalism. Really all just products of a Christian essence applied to different cultures... orthodox in the east, coptics, etc. You end up with this truly wild take on Christianity

The views on Satan almost feel pagan in influence, like Christmas and Easter.

[Vormotus]

Originally Posted by Seducio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty sure the Gnostics created that and the other Christians killed them for it.

Also most modern Chistians understand of the bible as a version is closer to Milton's Paradise Lost as compared to what the original writers said in the gospels written in aramaic.

This is more or less what happened.

Todays Christianity has more ties with Gnosticism than it cares to acknowledge.

Even the Christian Satan is more like the demiurge, there was a very good take on it on several courses I took a long time ago, main reason I enjoy Panos Kosmatos movies, he really knows how to tap into Gnostic Beliefs

[aussenseiter]

Originally Posted by Vormotus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Todays Christianity has more ties with Gnosticism than it cares to acknowledge.

I think I will pick up sticks today.

[Landroval]

Originally Posted by aussenseiter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think I will pick up sticks today.

Pick up sticks and jacks favors the able bodied, dextrous, and nimble. I don't know if today's kids could commit to such a laboursome game without a living wage of sticker books: not coloring books, and mini memo pads, with animal-shaped erasers, as a sort of reward system for their participation.

[long.liam]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Satan as a concept is super cool though so score 1 for Christians

And also score 1 for Mark Twain

I'm a little confused on the whole Satan thing. Sometimes Satan is referred to as a singular entity, like "The Lord of Hell" "Prince of Evil" etc. Other Times Satan referred to just a random adversary, maybe a little demon, or even just some human guy that happens to be pissing someone off.

Personally though I think most modern iterations of evil characters are way more interesting than anything that was historically produced. Most bad guys were pretty one note or very flat. It's way more intriguing to have antagonists with complex personalities and motivations.

[magnetaress]

Originally Posted by long.liam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm a little confused on the whole Satan thing. Sometimes Satan is referred to as a singular entity, like "The Lord of Hell" "Prince of Evil" etc. Other Times Satan referred to just a random adversary, maybe a little demon, or even just some human guy that happens to be pissing someone off.

Personally though I think most modern iterations of evil characters are way more interesting than anything that was historically produced. Most bad guys were pretty one note or very flat. It's way more intriguing to have antagonists with complex personalities and motivations.

Watch supernatural, it's heretical, butt there's a complex personality for u

Jealousy of G-d and his Creation(s) is satans MO

he hates humans because G-d loves them and looks after them and gives us a chance at redemption where as Satan thinks we should all be destroyed because we are beyond redemption and imperfect (like "he is perfect").

In other words G-d won't let Satan (the perfect being) into heaven butt he'll let us shitlords in. So Satan has set about his job to turn us towards evil and keep us from everlasting peace and love and keep us locked into this realm of material and death to punish us for being imperfect because G-d won't. Jibartik has a lot to say on this.

Currently Satan rules the earth. So be careful if you don't adress ur prayers to G-d directly u'll probably get him.

Satan only loves himself and he wants g-d's love but will never get it (the way he wants, to be ruler of the universe and destroy all the hooomans), and he wants the ang ***Els (Nephilim) to follow him, and he tolerates them even though they aren't as perfect as him.

It's all very DC/marvel/X-men if ur into that sorta blasphemy. And Idolatry.

[Vormotus]

Originally Posted by magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Watch supernatural, it's heretical, butt there's a complex personality for u

Jealousy of G-d and his Creation(s) is satans MO

he hates humans because G-d loves them and looks after them and gives us a chance at redemption where as Satan thinks we should all be destroyed because we are beyond redemption and imperfect (like "he is perfect").

To be honest, The Adversary is in short a Servant of the Creator that is tasked to incentivize the natural evil inclination native and 100% natural to man, he hates us as much as 0, and in very old hebrew texts he even loathes the job.

The Satan you describe is a modern retelling of the Milton one (which in turn is a further reconstruction of the dark ages adversary, which in turn was a corruption of the Demiruge/Yaldabaoth of the mediterranean gnostics during the 1st Century CE), that has NOTHING whatsoever to do with the original idea of the "Enemy" and so abused by Hollywood to be able to give a modicum of backstory to their horror blockbuster films.

This whole notion of demiplanes filled to the brim with demons is also more asian than european, as on this side we actually had quite entertaining and fully flawed gods, godlings and fickle entities.

Christianity on the whole, specially the USA versions that spawned there, are quite frankly literal fanfiction converted into canon (not leaving catholicism behind, which has a metric truckload of bad takes, made to convenience exegesis and a lot of very much human, and not demonic, corruption, greed and need to control behind it).

It is better to be an optmistic nihilist than a fervent believer in a demon spawned hellscape on earth, but again, thats is my own take.

It is honestly entertaining though, and I wish you peace and happiness. Also the internet is not a very good place to discuss these beliefs, as you will find as many adherents as detractors. Not very healthy either.

It is my sincere wish you find peace, both here and in the afterlife you believe in, life is too short to get lost in minutiae of dogma and spend it cloistered behind mental prison bars where only other inmates of the same prison can come visit in.

Be well man, super hug to you.

Again, this is more or less my take, it would be terrible to live in a world where man made demons, like Vancian ones from Dying Earth have rule or sway over creation, but hey, everyone is free to believe in their own backstory of choice.

I fully respect everyones opinion on the issue.